[RFC] Enabling kerneloops in default install
amit at canonical.com
Wed Dec 10 01:35:25 GMT 2008
(Retaining entire history since its been a while since this was discussed)
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Matt Zimmerman <mdz at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 01:33:42PM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 11:29:03AM +0300, Amit Kucheria wrote:
>> > Instead, I want to propose moving the 'kerneloops' package to the
>> > default install. Kerneloops ships with a gtk/gnome applet that pops up
>> > when it notices an oops message and offers to send the information
>> > upstream.
>> > Plus
>> > -----
>> > 1. Kerneloops will report bugs directly upstream to
>> > http://submit.kerneloops.org/submitoops.php
>> > 2. This will help upstream get a better handle on the most critical
>> > kernel bugs experienced by Ubuntu users
>> > 3. It will help to dispel the notion that Ubuntu doesn't really help
>> > with identifying kernel bugs by sticking with older kernels only
>> I think the general idea of collaborating more closely with the upstream
>> kernel community by providing testing is a very good one.
>> > Minus
>> > -------
>> > 1. Kerneloops does something that apport is already doing
>> > - apport sends it to LP, though. And the bug waits there until
>> > someone decides to send it upstream.
>> We aren't actually submitting oops reports to Launchpad using apport yet,
>> but I think we should. kerneloops could be modified to do this, so that
>> we're sharing the same code for watching for oopses, and it should be
>> possible to write a tool to push these upstream semi-automatically if
>> they're judged to meet appropriate criteria.
>> That would give us the chance to review the reports before they're sent
> I've now modified kerneloops to add support for writing an apport report in
> addition to the standard kerneloops.org submission. This will allow us to
> participate in the kerneloops.org statistical measurement, and also receive
> semi-automatic bug reports for oopses which occur in an Ubuntu release which
> is still under development.
> I spoke to Arjan about the patch, and he indicated he was willing to accept
>> > Risks
>> > -------
>> > 1. This could backfire if the kernel community does not appreciate
>> > receiving bugs from Ubuntu's modified kernels.
>> > - With the move to 2.6.27 we are (potentially) not going to have
>> > entire subsystems backported. So bugs in the core kernel would still
>> > be valid reports.
>> > - A majority of our patches are for HW-enablement (new/modified
>> > drivers) and those are the bug reports that might cause problems.
>> > Comments on this proposal are most welcome.
>> I'm very concerned about risk #1 you've listed. Would it be possible to get
>> some feedback from upstream maintainers about whether they want these oops
>> reports or not?
> Amit discussed this with Arjan at some length at the Linux Plumbers
> Conference, and the conclusion seems to be that he wants a way to identify
> Ubuntu kernels based on the version number, and confirmation that we'll
> address the top issues which come up (and not let them languish), which is
> already our practice.
The Jaunty kernel (2.6.28-2) now has all the version information
required by kerneloops to identify Ubuntu kernels from an oops.
Could we now move kerneloops to 'main' as part of the default install?
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