Proposal for solving CD Size problems

[t u]

I have to disagree... (strongly)

Scott James Remnant wrote:
> 
>   - For edgy+1, make the default distribution medium a DVD, not a CD.
> 
what happens to those without a DVD ROM? Like most of the people who
have less money? that's discrimination. you can however make an optional
Desktop DVD.

>   - The DVD would be the current desktop CD, but with more room for all
>     the other pieces that we would like to ship.
> 

which are?

>   - An additional DVD image with the remaining space taken up by
>     language packs and other packages from main could also be made
>     available.
> 

so it's gonna be 2 DVDs? I don't see the point.

>   - The "alternate" disk would remain a CD, and would prompt the user
>     for the tasks they would like to install.  If would not contain the
>     complete ubuntu-desktop selection, if they wanted that, they would
>     need an Internet connection to install the rest.
> 
> 

now you're discriminating against those who do not have (or have slow)
internet connection. everyone should be able to have the "standard" that
ubuntu offers.


>   - More features in future releases (such as telepathy, compiz, etc.)
>     mean more space required
> 

you could put them in an opional DVD desktop CD. This way, everyone
knows that stuff is for those who can afford a DVD player and graphics
card that support god 3D

>   - Recommended hardware[0] has now reached the point where we can
>     expect a DVD drive to be available
> 

this means we are going overboard with the recommended hardware

>   - Recommended hardware also has significantly more available disk
>     space for the operating system than breezy, yet we don't take
>     advantage of this for edgy
> 

this points out to the problem that rec. hardware is going too high.

>   - Users with existing installs and no DVD drive can upgrade using the
>     Internet as usual
> 

I don't think dist-upgrade is a usual way to upgrade previous releases yet.

>   - Users installing on older hardware and unwilling to upgrade won't
>     want (or be able to use) may of the new features.  They would be
>     content with the cut-down "alternate" disk or with the supported
>     dapper release.
> 

as someone who (now that you point out I need a DVD ROM in my desktop
PC) has old hardware, I strongly disagree.
>   - Vista and Mac OS X are distributed on DVD.
> 

thank god we're not vista and mac os x.

>   - The server, edubuntu and Xubuntu derivatives may opt to still
>     distribute on a CD, and still deal with the CD sizing pain
> 
> 

xubuntu _is_ for real low-end machines. it has to stay with the CD. I
can't see that as an option.

> Arguments Against:
> 
>   - Increased download size for those wishing to burn their own.
> 
>     A downloadable DVD image without language packs and "stuff from the
>     archive" (just the Live image and installer) should negate part of
>     this.
> 
>     The additional download cost otherwise will be things that the user
>     will probably want to install anyway
> 
>   - Requires a DVD writer, which isn't yet entry-level.  The alternate
>     CD would still be available for those with a CD burner.
> 
>   - Increased shipit cost; DVDs cost more to make than CDs?
> 
> 
> Alternatives:
> 
>   - Remove existing features (OpenOffice?) from Ubuntu
> 

????

>   - Stop putting new features into Ubuntu
> 

make features installable:
a dialogue is all you need:
"do you want <list of features> available? you need an internet connection."

>   - Localised CDs (only one set of language support)
> 

too many CDs

>   - Two CD distribution ("Please insert Disc 2" during Live boot/?!)
> 

that I'm not against that.

> 
> Discuss.
> 

:)