Invitation to ubuntu developers

Ulrik Mikaelsson ulrik.mikaelsson at
Sun Nov 26 22:32:07 GMT 2006

Probably the argument I've seen during this very long thread.

Support the Open Graphics project if you will. Embrace the Open Source Intel
drivers, and work on the open source radeon-support.

The nvidia and fglrx-drivers, however, does in no way follow the DRI
infrastructure (sure, FGLRX does, but it only it's own patched and very old
version) and should therefore still be considered "aliens" in the system.
They might provide desirable feature for the user (I'm a nvidia-user), but
it's important the user understands at least the general implications. They
pose a small threshold, but if the hardware industry is not kept in check,
these customized hardware-dependent solutions will probably be seen more
frequently, in the long term making Linux a very user-unfriendly

On 11/26/06, John Nilsson <john at> wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 10:22 -0500, Bryan Haskins wrote:
> > I say if it means saving a newb 3 days of trying to get things
> > working, by having it packaged, and ready to go, with the general
> > support install time programs receive, I ask you all, where is the
> > harm, in saving a new user a little time.
> The harm is in the message it sends to Nvidia and ATI. It's a clear
> message that says, "ok don't worry guys we will take your proprietary
> driver and do the work necessary to make them work for our users. Don't
> you worry about open sourcing and all that." But the worst thing is that
> the same message will go to every one else. "Don't worry about open
> source, proprietary will do."
> What we want is a situation where Intel, OGP or other hardware with open
> source efforts "works out of the box", but where proprietary stuff is
> just a little more hassle. We want AMD and Nvidia to loose customers
> because of not having open source drivers.
> Unless you guys hasn't noticed yet: Linux is making an impact. These
> companies WANT to support Linux (neither ATI or Nvidia spends resources
> on their Linux drivers for pure egalitarian reasons, they actually see
> profit in it). We have the leverage to put pressure on them.
> Regards,
> John
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