ubuntu-desktop depends on bicyclerepair?

John Richard Moser nigelenki at comcast.net
Tue Apr 18 18:22:14 BST 2006

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Javier wrote:
> On 4/4/06, Sandis Neilands <sandisn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Matt!
>> On 4/3/06, Matt Zimmerman <mdz at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>> The goal of ubuntu-desktop isn't to collect packages which are needed on
>>> pracitcally every Ubuntu system (that's more ubuntu-minimal).  Its goal is
>>> to provide a desktop system which is useful to many types of users.  One of
>>> these types of users is a Python developer, or a user who is learning to
>>> program in Python.
>> While I'm downloading flight 6...
>> Shouldn't *-desktop depend on build-essential too? As far as I know c
>> and c++ are far more popular languages in schools and universities
>> than python. I'm almost sure that even pascal is more used than python
>> in those places. Or perhaps we should make metapackage for each
>> language (python-develop, c-develop, ruby-develop, etc)?
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>> Sandis
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> Ubuntu promotes python as a RAD programming plataform. Build essential


Promotes as in sticks it there so when it comes up in conversation it's
just conveniently there so that the devs can do market shaping.  It's
not a marketed feature, they don't want to draw too much attention to
the fact that this stuff is all there, hence why it's not majorly
advertised anywhere.

If they really wanted to promote it they should mention Python directly
on their main page.  Here is the major blurb:

Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with
both community and professional support. It is developed by a large
community and we invite you to participate too!

The Ubuntu community is built on the ideas enshrined in the Ubuntu
Philosophy: that software should be available free of charge, that
software tools should be usable by people in their local language and
despite any disabilities, and that people should have the freedom to
customise and alter their software in whatever way they see fit.

These freedoms make Ubuntu fundamentally different from traditional
proprietary software: not only are the tools you need available free of
charge, you have the right to modify your software until it works the
way you want it to.

The team behind Ubuntu makes the following public commitment to its users:

    *      Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra
fee for the "enterprise edition", we make our very best work available
to everyone on the same Free terms.

    *      Ubuntu comes with full commercial support from hundreds of
companies around the world. Ubuntu is released regularly and
predictably; a new release is made every six months. Each release is
supported with free security updates and fixes for at least 18 months.

    *      Ubuntu will include the very best in translations and
accessibility infrastructure that the Free Software community has to
offer, to make Ubuntu usable by as many people as possible. We
collaborate as widely as possible on bug fixing and code sharing.

    *      Ubuntu is entirely committed to the principles of free
software development; we encourage people to use free and open source
software, improve it and pass it on.

Ubuntu is suitable for both desktop and server use. The current Ubuntu
release supports PC (Intel x86), 64-bit PC (AMD64) and PowerPC (Apple
iBook and Powerbook, G4 and G5) architectures.

Ubuntu includes more than 16,000 pieces of software, but the core
desktop installation fits on a single CD. Ubuntu covers every standard
desktop application from word processing and spreadsheet applications to
internet access applications, web server software, email software,
programming languages and tools and of course several games.

The only near mention is that third to last clause in the last
paragraph, "Programming languages and tools."  It should instead look
like "<a href='python.html'>a full Python development environment</a>"
to REALLY draw attention to it; I suspect they're afraid of massive
flames or criticisms though.

> was asked before. It's in main, but it's not included in the default
> install. I think it's included in the cd, so you can always apt-get
> it.

Yes, C/C++ build-essentials are on the CD, just not installed by default
taking up 58 megs of space and keeping several extraneous libraries on
the system.

> --
> Javier

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