FeatureSpecification: apt-third-party

Jerry Haltom wasabi at larvalstage.net
Wed Apr 5 14:50:04 BST 2006

No. This spec doesn't propose or try to handle anything regarding
installing into $HOME. Doing that, using dpkg, is going to require some
modification of dpkg maybe, and definitely custom packages, at this

I also don't think the demand for that sort of thing is as big as some
people seem to think.

Programs which contain their own update mechanism have always been a
problem with Debian. Usually we end up turning their own update
mechanism off and pushing it manually.

I think part of this goes away when it becomes the third parties
themselves who are using apt... then could then push their updates for
Ubuntu/Debian using apt... or not. Up to them.

On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 05:30 +0200, John Nilsson wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 20:03 -0500, Jerry Haltom wrote:
> > The installed software should track updates from the ISV
> > automatically and integrate into the existing infrastructure. 
> Would there be room in this project for single user installs (i.e.
> non-root, installed in ${HOME}).
> I recently got quite frustrated by how hard it was to use rubygems on
> Ubuntu. This is the three choices I saw:
> 1. You use the packaged gems and lose all the flexibility of rubygems.
> 2  You use gem as a system wide manager for rubygems and thus losing the
> comfort of knowing that apt/dpkg is in control over the system.
> 3. You use gem as a ${HOME}-isolated installation, thus gaining maximum
> flexibility and having somewhat more control over the system.
> it would be great with a fourth alternative:
> 4. Use an apt-plug-in for rubygems to handle installation of files in
> ${HOME}
> I also have Azureus, Eclipse and some other apps installed in
> ${HOME}/opt so that I can use their update features (which handle booth
> core updates and plug-in updates).
> If all these cases could be solved with a single system that would be
> great.
> But this may be completely orthogonal to your project.
> Regards,
> John

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