`Cannot save preferences' dialogue

[Carey O'Shea]

Vincent Untz wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Le lundi 19 septembre 2005 à 14:15 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit :
>
>>I'm not very keen on this dialogue box:
>>
>>  /!\  These windows do not support `save current setup' and will
>>  ~~~  have to be restarted manually next time you log in.
>>
>>   Title
>>   ....
>>                                                [ X ]  Close
>>
>
>For those wondering (like me), Ian is talking about the dialog that pops
>up when you log out from GNOME and choose "Save current session" while
>there are some applications that don't correctly support session
>management.
>
>Also note that there's (at least) one bug open about this upstream:
>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160712
>
>
>>There are a number of things wrong with it:
>>
>> * Firstly, does the user really care ?  Usually, I would imagine that
>>   attempting to save the window layout would be done on a best-effort
>>   basis.
>>
>
>I think that he cares, yes. If he's used to having his windows restarted
>at login and doesn't see one, he will feel it's a bug.
>
>
>> * Secondly, as the submitter of
>>    http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6860
>>   points out, this stops the system from proceeding with the logout,
>>   which is not ideal.  (Although there is a timeout of a few minutes
>>   after which the dialogue disappears and logout proceeds anyway.)
>>
>
>The timeout should probably be changed to 30 seconds.
>
>
>> * Thirdly, if the setup really was important (eg, the user might be
>>   trying to remember website locations by leaving the firefox windows
>>   open) then a simple `[ X ] Close' is no good - you need to give the
>>   user the option not to log out.
>>
>
>Agree.
>
>
>>I think the best thing to do would be to get rid of this prompt
>>entirely.  If it's felt that this makes the `save settings' questions
>>too inaccurate, they could be renamed to `try to save settings' or
>>`save settings where possible' or some such.
>>
>
>I'm not sure. The user will not know what will happen and will prefer to
>not save settings then, making the optionVincent Untz wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Le lundi 19 septembre 2005 à 14:15 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit :
>>    
>>
>>>I'm not very keen on this dialogue box:
>>>
>>>  /!\  These windows do not support `save current setup' and will
>>>  ~~~  have to be restarted manually next time you log in.
>>>
>>>   Title
>>>   ....
>>>                                                [ X ]  Close
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>For those wondering (like me), Ian is talking about the dialog that pops
>>up when you log out from GNOME and choose "Save current session" while
>>there are some applications that don't correctly support session
>>management.
>>
>>Also note that there's (at least) one bug open about this upstream:
>>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160712
>>
>>    
>>
>>>There are a number of things wrong with it:
>>>
>>> * Firstly, does the user really care ?  Usually, I would imagine that
>>>   attempting to save the window layout would be done on a best-effort
>>>   basis.
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>I think that he cares, yes. If he's used to having his windows restarted
>>at login and doesn't see one, he will feel it's a bug.
>>
>>    
>>
>>> * Secondly, as the submitter of
>>>    http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6860
>>>   points out, this stops the system from proceeding with the logout,
>>>   which is not ideal.  (Although there is a timeout of a few minutes
>>>   after which the dialogue disappears and logout proceeds anyway.)
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>The timeout should probably be changed to 30 seconds.
>>
>>    
>>
>>> * Thirdly, if the setup really was important (eg, the user might be
>>>   trying to remember website locations by leaving the firefox windows
>>>   open) then a simple `[ X ] Close' is no good - you need to give the
>>>   user the option not to log out.
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>Agree.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I think the best thing to do would be to get rid of this prompt
>>>entirely.  If it's felt that this makes the `save settings' questions
>>>too inaccurate, they could be renamed to `try to save settings' or
>>>`save settings where possible' or some such.
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>I'm not sure. The user will not know what will happen and will prefer to
>>not save settings then, making the option useles...
>>
>>Vincent
>>
>>    
>>
> I agree with Vincent, 30 seconds is much more reasonable, but I do 
> believe the feature should remain.
>
> useles...
>
>Vincent
>
>
I agree with Vincent, 30 seconds or so is more reasonable, and I agree 
that changing the option to a "best effort" is not a good idea.