My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support

[Simos Xenitellis]

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Alexandre Strube <surak at surak.eti.br> wrote:
> Are you suggesting a full port to Raspberry Pi instead?
>

The RPi II is one option, and it is not the most affordable one.
There are also the Pine64 and the OrangePi developer boards which are
way cheaper.
Their support for the mainline kernel may not be there yet, however
there is work being done.

For such devices, you can use Ubuntu Core (snappy),
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/
Ubuntu Core works already for the RPi 2.

Regarding the cost of such devices, it can be quite low. For example,
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1553371
For the import duty and taxes, one can check at
http://www.dutycalculator.com/country-guides/Import-duty-taxes-when-importing-into-Brazil/
(for Brazil).

Please note that those second-hand PCs that make it to Africa, are
meant to be used and then at the end of their life, to be properly
recycled.
The proper recycle costs a lot of money, and in most cases it does not
happen and the PCs end up in a landfill.
Many old computers from Europe end up in Africa to be used as
second-hand, however for Europe it is just a cheap way to avoid paying
for the proper recycling within Europe.

Simos

> 2016-09-09 3:00 GMT+02:00 Simos Xenitellis <simos.lists at googlemail.com>:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Thierry Andriamirado
>> <thierry.andriamirado at free.fr> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Le 8 septembre 2016 01:35:05 UTC+03:00, John Moser
>> > <john.r.moser at gmail.com> a écrit :
>> >>
>> >>> There are countless very old computers running Ubuntu, in Developing
>> >>> Countries.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>It's not my fault nobody counted.
>> >
>> > It's nobody's fault: many of those Ubuntu boxes are used in villages in
>> > the bush, and are not even connected to the Internet. Updated from time to
>> > time via CD-Rom..
>> >
>>
>> As far as I know, many of the second-hand old PCs that make it to the
>> developing world, are old computers from companies and universities in
>> Europe.
>> A proper disposal in the EU costs money, so they donate them to
>> intermediaries (so no cost for the companies) that send them to
>> developing countries.
>> Those that receive them, end up paying quite some money (50-100€?),
>> which is good profit to the intermediaries.
>>
>> Considering that at least until 2021 we will be fine regarding 32-bit
>> support,
>> I think it would be good to gradually get people to switch to
>> small-board computers.
>> These are nowdays quite cheap, and you can get a quad-core SBC with
>> 2GB RAM for under 30€.
>>
>> Simos
>>
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