Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

[Ralf Mardorf]

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> On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:23, Xen <list at xenhideout.nl> wrote:
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> Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:41:
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>> there is ... see ~/.xsession-errors and ~/.cache/upstart/
>> (and there will be a systemd one as well, once switched to systemd user
>> sessions)
> 
> The first file is loaded with random errors but I see some services being started.

Errors? Hopefully warnings, such as the GTK GUI crap. When launching a GUI by CLI I sometimes add 2>/dev/null ;).

> Of course there are probably "session" services but I have no clue how it works and 99% of users that have spent less than 5 years on Linux probably don't know how to do it either.

This is related to the advantage and the disadvantage of Linux user space. The best approach for those who are clueless and don't want to learn, is a fruit based OS. However, Ubuntu already is the best Linux distro for this target group.

> In Windows

...nothing is secure at all. Users are free to chose Windows. Linux is for another kind of computer user. A user could chose what ever OS fits best to the individual needs and moneybag. Apropos standards, if Ubuntu would follow Richard Stallman's ideas, it would be les to your needs, IOW there is no standard able to please everybody.

> So it is not really about system disks for the most part, there is no real great issue with having a user having to use sudo or gksudo or the like. Because to this day system maintenance really has to be done from the shell anyway.

For good reasons not all users get root privileges ;). Keep in mind that Linux not necessarily is a single user desktop environment.

> However on Windows every user... you know.

Why don' t you use Windows instead of Linux? Both operating systems follow a different approach.

> Graphical systems change and are often independable, so we need systems that will always be there and remain unsullied by anything being done in Gnome or KDE or Unity. It is no good if GUIs create their own systems: they should just interface with systems that already exist and that you can also access through the command line or console.

I'm not using a DE, that doesn't mean that changes of Qt or GTK wot cause issues for me, but At least I don't suffer from DE related issues. Windows and Apple don't give you a choice at all.

I skipped all that systemd related stuff, since it's a little bit to late to complain about systemd. You want standards and if there is one, you dislike it. We already had the systemd discussions before it was introduced. Note, I'm not a systemd fan, but now we have to become used to it. I also din't read the snap related part. We don't need to use snaps, neither on Ubuntu, let alone other distros.

Regards,
Ralf