Dimitri John Ledkov xnox at
Tue Dec 2 11:58:59 UTC 2014

On 2 December 2014 at 10:11, Stephen P. Villano
<stephen.p.villano at> wrote:
> On 12/2/14 2:59 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:
>> On 02.12.2014 08:27, Martin Pitt wrote:
>>> Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult [2014-12-02  7:55 +0100]:
>>>> By the way: is it then be mandatory ?
>>> Yes, it will be. As Scott and others have already pointed out, Ubuntu
>>> never offered a choice of init systems, and doesn't plan on doing so.
>> Okay, thanks for the clear statement.
>> So we don't have to bother w/ Ubuntu anymore at all (besides migrating
>> away), we can concentrate on Devuan. (eg. getting rid of polkit etc).
>> The only blocker right now is Zimbra, which is currently not packaged
>> for Debian yet - but as we'll move to OpenZimbra anyways once it's
>> stable, we won't have any need for Ubuntu anymore.
>> cu
>> --
> Such is the nature of life in the world, especially in the world of
> software and operating systems.
> Personally, I prefer SElinux to polkit, but such isn't part of the

SElinux and SMACK are enabled in Ubuntu Kernels, and core packages are
compiled with SElinux features enabled thus one can use SElinux
policies on ubuntu base.
Ditto with smack. Thus in certain ways ubuntu is more flexible and
accommodating. Especially when it comes to cruitial hardware support &

The rest of email is has just as bogus claims.



> baseline of Debian and hence, not part of Ubuntu. I just had to take
> other measures to ensure security.
> Ubuntu follows Debian rather faithfully in the baseline OS. That is the
> policy, it leaves a lot less to clean up after and gives a clear
> understanding of the "lineage" and sourceline of the OS itself. Ubuntu
> branches off in several areas, but they're well defined areas and well
> documented by the Ubuntu team.
> Personally, I use RedHat for certain uses in the enterprise network I
> operate in. I also use Fedora and CentOS in that same environment,
> depending upon the client environmental preferences.
> At home, my OS of choice is a bit more eclectic. I used to run SuSE
> until Novell screwed it up. Since, I've got a rather varied environment
> in both my lab environment at home and my production environment at
> home. I run a full enterprise network at home.
> For my home entertainment system, I use Mythbuntu, as it's clean running
> "out of the box" and harden my security with a clear comprehension of
> Ubuntu and Debian practices.
> Other systems are hardened according to US DoD standards or rather
> loose, depending upon which VLAN they "live" on and their purpose and
> sensitivity to the function of my home enterprise.
> As for my qualifications, I worked my way up from cable monkey to
> desktop support, help desk, LAN/WAN operations and senior level
> AD/SA/LAN/WAN operations before I moved into Information Assurance. In
> that latter field, I've not had a network I was responsible for be
> compromised and that counts being in the middle of the 2008 cyberattack
> against the US DoD in my area of responsibility. Every other network was
> compromised, mine was not. I don't take chances in security.
> So, stay with the distro or go your own way, it's a somewhat free world.
> Free as in beer is not free, but personal choices are free in most areas.
> Good night/morning, this discussion has so engaged me and emotionally
> aroused me, I'll now go to bed.
> Oh wait, it didn't.
> I outgrew "If you're not going to play *my* way, I'm taking my marbles
> and go home" when I left kindergarten, which was long enough ago that I
> do clearly recall watching John F. Kennedy shot live on television.
> But, I am serious about going to bed. Both out of lack of adrenaline and
> it's past bedtime by a few minutes.
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