Scott Kitterman ubuntu at
Mon Dec 1 17:28:32 UTC 2014

I'm not a list admin, so it's only my opinion.  I don't have any power stop 
anyone from saying anything.  People can discuss whatever they want that's 
related to Ubuntu development (thus the name of the list).  Personally, I 
think discussion of other potential Debian derivatives doesn't qualify.  Other 
people may feel differently.

What you might consider is that many Ubuntu developers don't bother to 
subscribe to this list since the signal to noise ratio is low.  If you lower 
it, then more will unsubscribe.  

This is supposed to be a list where developers and non-developers can interact 
and discuss Ubuntu development, but in the past developers have just 
unsubscribed when it got to unpleasant.

We really, really don't need the Debian systemd flames leaking into Ubuntu.  
Posting about it here is, in my opinion, only going to have a negative result.  
Most (if not all) of the Ubuntu developers who work on the core platform 
(including init) are also involved in Debian, so it's not like we aren't well 
aware of it.

Scott K

On Monday, December 01, 2014 18:11:20 Alexander Hanff wrote:
> Who died and made you god of what people can and cannot discuss on this
> list.  Diego spotted an interesting new development which he brought to the
> attention of the list with the suggestion that it might potentially be
> useful to Ubuntu in the future - that is completely relevant and completely
> acceptable content to post - you have zero right to come down on him and
> accuse him of being off-topic just because you don't like the idea, so
> please, get off your high horse.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces at
> [mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces at] On Behalf Of Scott
> Kitterman
> Sent: 01 December 2014 18:03
> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at
> Subject: Re: Devuan
> As I explained, it's not relevant.  I get you think it is.  I disagree.  The
> mail (since you care to debate it) is also based on a false premise.  There
> is no requirement in Debian to use systemd as the init system.  It is the
> default.  It's trivial to retain sysvinit and possible to use upstart.
> None of which is relevant to Ubuntu which has never offered init system
> choice and moved off of sysvinit last decade.
> Scott K
> On Monday, December 01, 2014 05:58:37 PM Alexander Hanff wrote:
> > I don't think your response was called for Scott - whether you agree
> > or not with the suggestion doesn't make it any less relevant.  To say
> > it is off-topic is ridiculous, it is absolutely relevant to Ubuntu
> > development and was something Diego wanted to point out as a potential
> > option for Ubuntu in the future.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces at
> > [mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces at] On Behalf Of
> > Scott Kitterman
> > Sent: 01 December 2014 17:42
> > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at
> > Subject: Re: Devuan
> > 
> > On Monday, December 01, 2014 11:22:22 AM Diego Germán Gonzalez wrote:
> > > I just learned of the launch of Devuan A fork of
> > > Debian which eliminates the requirement to use systemd, and promises
> > > to build a less bureaucratic and more friendly community towards the
> > > derived distros Will have to see how the project evolves, but if
> > > they do not be a bad idea that Ubuntu will begin to rely on it
> > 
> > That's rather unrelated to Ubuntu development.  Ubuntu has taken it's
> > own decisions on init systems for some time (it wasn't in this decade
> > that Ubuntu last had a release that used sysvinit).
> > 
> > Please stay on topic.

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