Update manager mandating rebooting

[Daniel J Blueman]

On 1 November 2012 00:41, Tom H <tomh0665 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Daniel J Blueman <daniel at quora.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'd love to hear what other users and developers think about this:
> >
> > The refreshed update manager (almost) always displays "The computer
> needs to
> > restart to finish installing updates", with a default button "Restart"
> > highlighted. Not only that, the window close button is not present.
> >
> > This is *exactly* the backward logic that I distance myself from windows
> > for. Before I'm told that it's needed to protect the user, security etc,
> > this was for a bug-fix to a library.
> >
> > Just put a warning sign by the clock reminding the user to reboot and
> give
> > them a choice. The OS experience is about the computer being a tool for
> the
> > user, not imposing such ridiculous constraints.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong; I love developing on Ubuntu and Linux and use it
> > exclusively in my professional and personal life. Now, I'd love to hear
> why
> > this (IMHO regression) made sense..
>
> If you don't have such a window, the user won't reboot (and the update
> won't be applied) possibly because of forgetfulness. My OS X
> installation does this; if I cannot reboot, I just move the nag window
> out of the way. It's a PitA but it's responsible coding. I haven't had
> a non-company-managed Windows installation in a while but I hope that
> we'll never have the same behavior that Windows has/had: you could
> postpone a reboot but if you weren't at your computer in order to
> postpone it, the system would reboot, killing anything that you had
> open.
>

I was thinking along the lines of we have something in the indicator area
to avoid forgetting to reboot. Point is, it's almost certainly not a
convenient time to reboot after you just opened up to get something
actually done and update manager scans in the background and find updates.

Maybe the library that was updated is of the type described in
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-June/168721.html
>

Of course, Debian derivatives relaunch background services. A desktop
notification should be present to notify the user that a logout _or_ reboot
is needed. There's just no need to reboot unless upstart is vulnerable (and
then it doesn't publish services on the network).
-- 
Daniel J Blueman
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