How to install Precise without getting screwed?

Scott Kitterman ubuntu at
Wed Apr 11 04:11:47 UTC 2012

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 08:46:23 PM Dane Mutters wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Scott Kitterman 
<ubuntu at>wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:26:22 PM Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > > On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 10:26:50PM -0700, Dane Mutters wrote:
> > ...
> > 
> > > Oh,come on. Let's not start this again. What is it about the various
> > > Ubuntu lists that causes the Manners Police to fire up their computers
> > > to pop out how we unwashed masses should comport ourselves every time
> > > the discussion gets a little spirited?
> > > 
> > > I assume the people on this list are adults, capable of reading things
> > > like "pinhead", "stupid", "moron", etc without getting the vapors and
> > > reaching for the smelling salts.
> > 
> > Certainly.  The delete key works great for such cases.  If you want to
> > contribute to the Ubuntu community in a way that is going to be effective,
> > then
> > poorly written rants aren't the best way to go about it.
> > 
> > Scott K
> So, now that we've gotten some matters of conduct out of the way (we have,
> haven't we?), does anyone care to suggest what to do about making the
> GUI(s) of Ubuntu more usable for those who aren't OK with the current
> offerings?
> I think we've outlined the problem fairly well (thanks to those who have
> posted thus far), though further explanation would, of course, be welcome,
> should something be missing.
> Scott K, you've typically been a voice of reason on the Ubuntu mailing
> lists in the past; do you have any insights?  Anyone else?

Ubuntu is on a train and that train is called Unity.  The tracks are being 
laid within Canonical and it is very difficult to influence where they are being 
put down from the outside.  The Canonical design team has started to engage 
the community to discuss some of the relevant issues (although I haven't been 
following the details).  You should accept that you aren't going to make major 
changes in where Unity is headed.  It just isn't going to happen from the 

You can either get on this Unity train or pick another one.  Those are really 
the choices.  Personally, I run Kubuntu.  Xubuntu is also very popular.  I 
believe that there is a community forming around the idea of trying to 
similarly provide a Gnome 3 experience from within the Ubuntu project.  You 
need to figure out which one you like best.  They all have their advantages and 

Scott K

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