How to install Precise without getting screwed?

Dane Mutters dmutters at
Wed Apr 11 03:46:23 UTC 2012

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at>wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:26:22 PM Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 10:26:50PM -0700, Dane Mutters wrote:
> ...
> > Oh,come on. Let's not start this again. What is it about the various
> > Ubuntu lists that causes the Manners Police to fire up their computers
> > to pop out how we unwashed masses should comport ourselves every time
> > the discussion gets a little spirited?
> >
> > I assume the people on this list are adults, capable of reading things
> > like "pinhead", "stupid", "moron", etc without getting the vapors and
> > reaching for the smelling salts.
> Certainly.  The delete key works great for such cases.  If you want to
> contribute to the Ubuntu community in a way that is going to be effective,
> then
> poorly written rants aren't the best way to go about it.
> Scott K

So, now that we've gotten some matters of conduct out of the way (we have,
haven't we?), does anyone care to suggest what to do about making the
GUI(s) of Ubuntu more usable for those who aren't OK with the current

I think we've outlined the problem fairly well (thanks to those who have
posted thus far), though further explanation would, of course, be welcome,
should something be missing.

Scott K, you've typically been a voice of reason on the Ubuntu mailing
lists in the past; do you have any insights?  Anyone else?

I've seen this topic degenerate into protean grunts of derision several
times before, but since nobody's yet outlined a reasonable and functional
course of action, yet, I dare to say it's still worth talking about--should
we all manage to keep our heads.  I would very much like to have again an
Ubuntu that I'm ecstatic about sharing with my friends and family, and I
think that intelligently (and fearlessly) confronting the GUI problems we
now face is a key step in obtaining that.

I realize that since I'm not a developer, myself, I probably lack somewhat
in the "credibility-and-sway department," but I'm hoping that insomuch as I
(and others) present good reasoning and valid concerns, that can be

Thanks for your interest and comments.

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