Pulseaudio dependency, if Debian can do it ...

[rosea grammostola]

On 06/25/2011 01:40 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
> On 06/25/2011 01:04 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
>> On 06/25/2011 12:45 PM, Tony Atkinson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 12:21 +0200, rosea.grammostola wrote:
>>>> Ah I like constructive replies.
>>>>
>>>> I should provide you a little background info maybe. Since years
>>>> 64Studio is the most known company when it comes to the delivering of
>>>> (community) distros (and OEM products) optimized for multimedia and
>>>> especially proaudio. First they based there (OEM) products on Debian.
>>>> But because Ubuntu had those LTS releases, they switched to Ubuntu
>>>> instead. They offered the community the 64studio distro, but also made
>>>> products like Indamixx http://www.indamixx.com/
>>>>
>>>> But because of problems with Ubuntu they got back to Debian recently,
>>>> for building the OpenDAW distro, an optimized community distro for 
>>>> music
>>>> production and sound engineering. One of the reasons for this recent
>>>> change was the fact that you can't cleanly remove Pulseaudio from
>>>> Ubuntu. Not only 64Studio suffers from this, but also more small
>>>> projects like Tango Studio.
>>> I don't really understand this need to "remove pulseaudio"
>>> Why remove it?
>>>
>>> I'm by no means an expert, but have dabbled with the various audio
>>> production tailored distros, and it seems very possible to use such
>>> systems with Jack as a primary sound server and Pulse feeding into Jack
>>> when needed
>>>
>>> KXStudio (which I've used a fair bit), uses Jack2 for it's main sound
>>> server for the low latency audio apps, and provides Pulseaudio for 
>>> other
>>> "traditional desktop" apps
>>>
>>> You can simply use the Jack2 GUI tools to "wire up" the different apps.
>>> Prof. audio apps going directly to Jack2
>>> others (Adobe Flash, for example) going through pulseaudio
>>> Pulseaudio feeding into Jack2
>>>
>>> I think your issues stem from this (possibly misguided, but as I said,
>>> I'm no expert) belief that you need to remove pulseaudio
>>>
>> I know KXStudio and I wouldn't call it an ideal system for 
>> professional music production / audio engineering (which doesn't say 
>> I couldn't serve some people for that). I don't think the discussion 
>> is whether or not is it possible to disable pulseaudio. There are 
>> many ways to handle this situation, disabling, routing pulse into 
>> JACK etc.. But the question is whether these ways serve experienced / 
>> professional music producers / audio engineers in an optimal way. You 
>> have to accept from me that a group of audio engineers wants to 
>> remove pulseaudio totally, as a matter of fact.
>>
>> The discussion should be a different one in my opinion.
>> Why is it possible on Fedora and Debian etc. to remove Pulseaudio and 
>> why not on Ubuntu. How could we fix this.
>
> Maybe also good to explore how Debian and Fedora handles Pulseaudio 
> with the new Gnome-shell... and how Ubuntu with Unity does it.
>
> \r

"In Fedora pulseaudio is pulled in as a dependency of gnome-shell. By 
default pulseaudio hands over control to jack via D-bus. Alternatively 
you can sill disable pulseaudio by removing alsa-plugins-pulseaudio" ...

Hmm

Regards,
\r