Pulseaudio dependency, if Debian can do it ...

[rosea grammostola]

On 06/25/2011 01:04 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
> On 06/25/2011 12:45 PM, Tony Atkinson wrote:
>> On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 12:21 +0200, rosea.grammostola wrote:
>>> Ah I like constructive replies.
>>>
>>> I should provide you a little background info maybe. Since years
>>> 64Studio is the most known company when it comes to the delivering of
>>> (community) distros (and OEM products) optimized for multimedia and
>>> especially proaudio. First they based there (OEM) products on Debian.
>>> But because Ubuntu had those LTS releases, they switched to Ubuntu
>>> instead. They offered the community the 64studio distro, but also made
>>> products like Indamixx http://www.indamixx.com/
>>>
>>> But because of problems with Ubuntu they got back to Debian recently,
>>> for building the OpenDAW distro, an optimized community distro for 
>>> music
>>> production and sound engineering. One of the reasons for this recent
>>> change was the fact that you can't cleanly remove Pulseaudio from
>>> Ubuntu. Not only 64Studio suffers from this, but also more small
>>> projects like Tango Studio.
>> I don't really understand this need to "remove pulseaudio"
>> Why remove it?
>>
>> I'm by no means an expert, but have dabbled with the various audio
>> production tailored distros, and it seems very possible to use such
>> systems with Jack as a primary sound server and Pulse feeding into Jack
>> when needed
>>
>> KXStudio (which I've used a fair bit), uses Jack2 for it's main sound
>> server for the low latency audio apps, and provides Pulseaudio for other
>> "traditional desktop" apps
>>
>> You can simply use the Jack2 GUI tools to "wire up" the different apps.
>> Prof. audio apps going directly to Jack2
>> others (Adobe Flash, for example) going through pulseaudio
>> Pulseaudio feeding into Jack2
>>
>> I think your issues stem from this (possibly misguided, but as I said,
>> I'm no expert) belief that you need to remove pulseaudio
>>
> I know KXStudio and I wouldn't call it an ideal system for 
> professional music production / audio engineering (which doesn't say I 
> couldn't serve some people for that). I don't think the discussion is 
> whether or not is it possible to disable pulseaudio. There are many 
> ways to handle this situation, disabling, routing pulse into JACK 
> etc.. But the question is whether these ways serve experienced / 
> professional music producers / audio engineers in an optimal way. You 
> have to accept from me that a group of audio engineers wants to remove 
> pulseaudio totally, as a matter of fact.
>
> The discussion should be a different one in my opinion.
> Why is it possible on Fedora and Debian etc. to remove Pulseaudio and 
> why not on Ubuntu. How could we fix this.

Maybe also good to explore how Debian and Fedora handles Pulseaudio with 
the new Gnome-shell... and how Ubuntu with Unity does it.

\r