Broken session idling/power management in Karmic

[Evan]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Peteris Krisjanis <pecisk at gmail.com>wrote:

> Problem is quite simple - we don't have enough manpower to do QA.


If we don't have the manpower right now then perhaps we should consider
extending the beta or release candidate stage by a week in order to give
the manpower we have enough time to solve the most significant problems?


> Yes,
> user testing matters, but having a a) spec with basic features defined
>

Is their not already a page for this somewhere? I seem to remember seeing
something like this on the wiki, but I can't find it anymore. If not,
someone
(with Canonical's blessing?) should create a brief list of basic features
which
must be working in > 80% of cases before a release can be made.


> and b) small, but mobile team who can access to some ten of PCs and
> laptops with various configurations would be a next step.
>
> Cheers,
> Peter.


>
2009/10/28 Evan <eapache at gmail.com>:
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:39 AM, George Farris <farrisg at cc.mala.bc.ca>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:36 +0000, Alexander H Deriziotis wrote:
> >> >
> >> >         Is there hope for this to be fixed in karmic?
> >> >
> >> > I'm no developer, but I think that's very unlikely.
> >> >
> >> > It seems to me your best bet would be to try and avoid using the
> >> > software which breaks the idle-indicators, or if that's too much
> >> > hassle, just skip Karmic altogether and hope it's fixed in Lucid.
> >> >
> >> > Ubuntu does ship pretty bleeding edge software provided by upstream,
> >> > so regressions are to be expected. It's only a 6 month wait after all.
> >> >
> >> According to this logic nothing will ever get smoothed out and quite
> >> frankly we're all getting a little tired of that.
> >>
> >> What they should do is publicly mark this distro:
> >>
> >> "We have just released Karmic, due to the many upstream technology
> >> changes such as HAL depreciation, inclusion of Empathy, etc, etc, please
> >> consider this a bleeding edge distro not meant for regular distribution.
> >> Business and regular users may want to consider sticking with an older
> >> release or waiting for 10.04"
> >>
> >> I've been using Ubuntu since Warty and I understand the logic in the
> >> Linux community of "HAL isn't doing what we want, we're ripping it out
> >> and replacing it".  I think that is a great thing, something we have
> >> over the other OS's, but don't paint Karmic as the greatest thing since
> >> sliced bread.  Take 9.10 and tune it until it "just works" and then have
> >> a marketing frenzy.
> >>
> >> Trust me, working at the University and also running the Linux users
> >> group in the area, it would be much better to point at the release and
> >> say, "see this is marked as a development version, you can expect fairly
> >> basic things not to work".  People are happy with that, the press is
> >> happy with that, business is happy with that.
> >>
> >> What I would hate to see is, wonderful press release about Karmic,
> >> blathering on about all the goodness, only to have people rip it apart
> >> due to some fairly visible bugs.
> >>
> >> Lets just be up front about it and not drop any nasty surprises on
> >> people.
> >
> > I 100% agree. I like the concept of a six-month release cycle, but if it
> > means shipping with bugs of this visibility and magnitude then there is
> > something wrong. If we are going to ship with bugs like this, then we
> cannot
> > in all honesty call it a stable release. Maybe calling the 6-month
> releases
> > 'major development milestones' would be more appropriate, and leave the
> > 'stable release' moniker for LTS releases only.
> >
> > Just my two cents,
> > Evan
> >
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