cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready

[Natanael Olaiz]

Another thing: many shortcuts doesn't work anymore. Even configuring 
them by hand!! For instance: screenshots, knotes, etc...

El 11/10/2009 09:06 AM, Natanael Olaiz escribió:
> El 11/09/2009 01:03 PM, Mohammed Bassit escribió:
>>> El 10/26/2009 12:28 PM, Mohammed Bassit escribió:
>>>    
>>>> [...]
>>>>      
>>>>> I really like to persuade people to use ubuntu. But as long
>>>>> as it looks unready it will strengthen their opinion, that linux
>>>>> is only for nerds. Pleas learn your lesson from the debian
>>>>> community and release a new version only if its ready.
>>>>>
>>>>>             
>>>> You are free to use Debian !
>>>>
>>>>       
>>> After being migrated from Jaunty to Karmic in three machines (one at 
>>> work, one mine, and one of a friend), specially seeing that all that 
>>> works in Jaunty (wireless, ethernet, sound!!!!!) stop working in 
>>> Karmic     
>>
>> Can you give us more details about what went wrong with your network and
>> sound ? was it working in Jaunty out of the box ? did it just break once
>> you upgraded to Karmic ?
>>
>> And those three machines you're talking about, do they have similar
>> network and sound cards ? are all three of them from the same make and
>> model ?
>>   
>
> OK, sorry for my short previous message. I'll explain a little more here:
>
> The three machines have different configurations. One desktop, and two 
> different notebooks.
>
> I installed from scratch Kubuntu (in fact Ubuntu, and then installed 
> the kde/kubuntu packages) in the Desktop and one of the notebooks, and 
> upgraded from Jaunty in the other (my friend) notebook.
>
> Results
>    - In the desktop PC Karmic works pretty good in general, but there 
> are a lot of times that I can't close the programs.
>    - In my notebook, I had problems with wireless (I couldn't 
> configure a hidden SSID) and the knetworkmanager doesn't allow to 
> connect a specific network (the click doesn't work). I also have 
> problems with audio. Each application that uses it makes an annoying 
> click each time I open or close, sometimes the audio isn't working at 
> all, sometimes working until suddenly it stops. The pulseaudio backend 
> (in gstreamer or xine, both) doesn't work, and I can't configure the 
> skype to work. I had hardy before, and all worked perfectly. Some 
> programs doesn't close.
>    - In my friend notebook she have the same troubles with audio and 
> wireless, and the kernel doesn't support it wired network card (I had 
> to compile an external module -but that happens also in Jaunty...-). 
> The PC doesn't shutdown at all, and any power key works after the 
> upgrade (to suspend/etc). Some programs doesn't close.
>
> To me is annoying that kind of problems, but as I work with linux, I 
> need new libraries versions, and I know it (I know how to shutdown 
> from a console, for instance) I still use it... But my friend is just 
> a new linux user, and is going to live so far away.... So: first I 
> thought: I upgrade her to Karmic, so the hardware support could be 
> better for her without my help. WRONG! At the moment, she could not 
> use the machine at all with Karmic.
> That was the reason that I upgraded her for Karmic. And that was the 
> reason to think about Debian after seeing what happened... Maybe is 
> less "user friendly", but if I configure the machine, I could expect 
> that the system will still be working for her, even after updates. 
> With Ubuntu it seems that I can't expect that... :-/
>
>
> Best regards,
> Natanael
>
>>  
>>> in my end-user friend machine (I replaced her Windows Vista to 
>>> Kubuntu, and since Jaunty she was happy and I was proud of that), I 
>>> seriously     
>>
>> I don't see why you decided to upgrade to Karmic if the user was happy
>> with Jaunty ?
>>
>>  
>>> considering that option. In this moment I think Debian releases are 
>>> more "user friendly" that the "for human beings" latest distribution.
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> I have to agree that Debian releases tend to be more stable, but I'm not
>> sure about the user friendly thing !!
>>
>>  
>>> Sorry, I don't want to make FUD, but I'm really sad about it. And I 
>>> see I'm not the only one :-/
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> I have seen a few people complaining about their upgrades from Jaunty to
>> Karmic that went bad. I personally upgraded three computers to Karmic
>> without any issues (Actually the jack sense on my work computer's sound
>> card wasn't working in Jaunty and it works now in Karmic).
>>
>> Anyway, it doesn't seem like a common issue, I have only seen a few
>> cases of upgrade fails, and in most of them it was the users
>> "fault" (using apt to upgrade for instance).
>>
>>  
>>> Best regards,
>>> Natanael.
>>>
>>>    
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>       
>>>     
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>   
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