cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready

[Natanael Olaiz]

El 11/09/2009 01:03 PM, Mohammed Bassit escribió:
>> El 10/26/2009 12:28 PM, Mohammed Bassit escribió:
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>>>> I really like to persuade people to use ubuntu. But as long
>>>> as it looks unready it will strengthen their opinion, that linux
>>>> is only for nerds. Pleas learn your lesson from the debian
>>>> community and release a new version only if its ready.
>>>>
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>>> You are free to use Debian !
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>> After being migrated from Jaunty to Karmic in three machines (one at 
>> work, one mine, and one of a friend), specially seeing that all that 
>> works in Jaunty (wireless, ethernet, sound!!!!!) stop working in Karmic 
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> Can you give us more details about what went wrong with your network and
> sound ? was it working in Jaunty out of the box ? did it just break once
> you upgraded to Karmic ?
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> And those three machines you're talking about, do they have similar
> network and sound cards ? are all three of them from the same make and
> model ?
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OK, sorry for my short previous message. I'll explain a little more here:

The three machines have different configurations. One desktop, and two 
different notebooks.

I installed from scratch Kubuntu (in fact Ubuntu, and then installed the 
kde/kubuntu packages) in the Desktop and one of the notebooks, and 
upgraded from Jaunty in the other (my friend) notebook.

Results
    - In the desktop PC Karmic works pretty good in general, but there 
are a lot of times that I can't close the programs.
    - In my notebook, I had problems with wireless (I couldn't configure 
a hidden SSID) and the knetworkmanager doesn't allow to connect a 
specific network (the click doesn't work). I also have problems with 
audio. Each application that uses it makes an annoying click each time I 
open or close, sometimes the audio isn't working at all, sometimes 
working until suddenly it stops. The pulseaudio backend (in gstreamer or 
xine, both) doesn't work, and I can't configure the skype to work. I had 
hardy before, and all worked perfectly. Some programs doesn't close.
    - In my friend notebook she have the same troubles with audio and 
wireless, and the kernel doesn't support it wired network card (I had to 
compile an external module -but that happens also in Jaunty...-). The PC 
doesn't shutdown at all, and any power key works after the upgrade (to 
suspend/etc). Some programs doesn't close.

To me is annoying that kind of problems, but as I work with linux, I 
need new libraries versions, and I know it (I know how to shutdown from 
a console, for instance) I still use it... But my friend is just a new 
linux user, and is going to live so far away.... So: first I thought: I 
upgrade her to Karmic, so the hardware support could be better for her 
without my help. WRONG! At the moment, she could not use the machine at 
all with Karmic.
That was the reason that I upgraded her for Karmic. And that was the 
reason to think about Debian after seeing what happened... Maybe is less 
"user friendly", but if I configure the machine, I could expect that the 
system will still be working for her, even after updates. With Ubuntu it 
seems that I can't expect that... :-/


Best regards,
Natanael

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>> in my end-user friend machine (I replaced her Windows Vista to Kubuntu, 
>> and since Jaunty she was happy and I was proud of that), I seriously 
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> I don't see why you decided to upgrade to Karmic if the user was happy
> with Jaunty ?
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>> considering that option. In this moment I think Debian releases are more 
>> "user friendly" that the "for human beings" latest distribution.
>>
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> I have to agree that Debian releases tend to be more stable, but I'm not
> sure about the user friendly thing !!
>
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>> Sorry, I don't want to make FUD, but I'm really sad about it. And I see 
>> I'm not the only one :-/
>>
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> I have seen a few people complaining about their upgrades from Jaunty to
> Karmic that went bad. I personally upgraded three computers to Karmic
> without any issues (Actually the jack sense on my work computer's sound
> card wasn't working in Jaunty and it works now in Karmic).
>
> Anyway, it doesn't seem like a common issue, I have only seen a few
> cases of upgrade fails, and in most of them it was the users
> "fault" (using apt to upgrade for instance).
>
>   
>> Best regards,
>> Natanael.
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>>> Thanks,
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> Thanks,
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