shameful censoring of mono opposition

Mark Fink mpfink at
Tue Jun 9 23:56:34 UTC 2009

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David
Schlesinger<David.Schlesinger at> wrote:
>> it would be better if it was removed from the repos too, but ubuntu
>> would get back some of its respect if it at least removed MONO from
>> the default install like Fedora is doing.
> A few questions:
> a) "Respect" from whom, exactly? You? Paige?

the Linux community

> b) Why does this matter? Is someone running a contest for "most respected
> Linux distribution? Are there prizes?

no but there are losers like microvell (and ubuntu if it doesn't change)

> c) Why don't you just go ahead, use Fedora and let Ubuntu proceed to its (in
> your view) inevitable doom? Wouldn't that free up a lot of your time for
> more useful things than inciting conversations a which can't really lead to
> any productive result on mailing lists about distributions you don't
> "respect"?

I am trying to help

> A few related observations:
> a) "Respect", if it matters at all, only matter coming from those who are,
> themselves, worthy of respect.

Roy Schestowitz and Richard Stallman say that MONO is poisonware. are
they not respectable?

> b) I'd suggest that if there's any meaningful dimension to "respect", it
> might be measured by the number of people who take the time to actually use
> a given distro. If that's the case, Ubuntu seems to be more "respected" than
> Fedora.

ego will get you nowhere

> c) I can point to plenty of things which Miguel and others have done which
> seem to me to be deeply worthy of respect from my view, starting with GNOME

only because he couldn't get hired by M$ like he wanted

and then he goes and creates GNOME while badmouthing KDE and splitting
the Linux community. with friends like him, who needs enemies?

> and working on from there. I can't think of any similarly significant
> contributions from Mark Fink or from Paige Thompson. Why would I "respect"
> your view more than Miguel's? "Respect" is earned around these parts by
> doing heavy lifting, not by posting messages to mailing lists.

not all of us can be programmers, so we contribute in other ways like
advocating. people like me and Roy Schestowitz and others at BN are
very important for making people aware of the truth so that M$ can't
destroy Linux.

I've personally advocated Linux to Fortune 500 companies. what have /you/ done?

Only by destroying MONO can Linux be saved.

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