shameful censoring of mono opposition

Derek Broughton derek at
Tue Jun 9 01:29:34 UTC 2009

Remco wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughton<derek at>
> wrote:
>> Remco wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
>>> Schlesinger<David.Schlesinger at> wrote:
>>>> As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
>>>> were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless.
>>>> The appropriate response at that point is to say, "I was wrong", not to
>>>> try to switch to a completely different argument in mid-stream.
>>>> Nobody's come within a parsec of suggesting that the codecs you mention
>>>> should be part of the default install.
>>> I guess you're really not getting my point. I was actually trying to
>>> let you work that one out by comparing it to the codecs.
>> That's not an argument, it's a complete misdirection. The
>> non-free Codecs _aren't_ in Ubuntu repositories, Wine is.
> You're arguing semantics. I don't care about semantics. 

Sorry, but no.  You are pretending to have a rational discussion, while 
dismissing perfectly valid arguments.

> The codecs are
> not-in-Ubuntu the same way as Wine, because they are not installed,

No, they are not.  The codecs are NOT in Ubuntu at all.  Show me where they 
exist in the repositories.  Wine is in the repos.

On second thoughts, don't bother.  You're clearly just a troll, after all.
> and you can install them through Add/Remove. The codecs aren't
> installed because of patent problems. 

The codecs aren't even in the repositories _because of patent problems_.

> Wine isn't installed because
> Mark Shuttleworth doesn't want Ubuntu to be cheap Windows:

Excuse me, but when did slashdot become an authoritative source of knowledge 
of the workings of Mark Shuttleworth's mind (or of anything else, for that 
matter).  In any case, the first of those simply says Wine won't be 
preinstalled on Dell minis, and the second is even more vague - it says that 
Shuttleworth isn't staking the future of Ubuntu on Wine.  Neither one says 
that Ubuntu will ever _not_ include Wine.

> You've now pushed me to the extreme, because I really don't have a

Nobody pushed you - we rebutted poorly thought arguments and you accused us 
of arguing "semantics" (which is not quite the insult you seem to think).

If you continue this ridiculous rant, you'll be shouting into the bit 

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