Any news on skype+pulseaudio+intel_hda_realtek ?

Null Ack nullack at gmail.com
Tue Feb 10 13:53:28 UTC 2009


So in essence Scott, due to what you've highlighted as a lack of
testing input during the pre production lifecycle phases, your
suggesting that end users should endure the brunt of testing? As
Ubuntu needs to move forward rapidly, being cutting edge and cant be
so highly concerned with the risk of regressions?

Yes, pulse audio was implemented. Yes, it was a disaster and even the
upstream developer head more or less said so about Ubuntu's
implementation. It was half baked. So too is Compiz, with all its
incompatibilities with things like 3d OpenGL, that Ubuntu decided to
enable by default even though we all know that key architectural items
are missing like GEM. Lots of new users clambered onto the look at my
cool wobbly windows Linux stuff then were disheartened when they
realised that it didnt work properly, and that there is many other
visible bugs in the Ubuntu desktop experience. A bug in NM I reported
way back in the alpha still isnt fixed, that for my user experience,
is a nuisance. Cruft remover was poorly tested and entered production
in a problematic state. I could go on, but I wont.

If Ubuntu and Canonical are truly serious about quality, clearly the
professionals amongst us who sport big cowboy spurs with a good ol
wild western release philosophy need to be tamed. Otherwise, we might
as well all join Fedora. Thats not the Ubuntu I want to be involved
in. I want to contribute towards a robust system that provides a
quality desktop user experience. I'd like to reinforce Andrew Morton's
comments when he expressed an observation that too many kernel
developers focus on new features without resolving existing problems.

We are far better off focusing on improving the testing phases than
dumping it on end users. We will only alienate new users and limit the
strategic growth of Ubuntu if we go all cowboy.

Regards

Nullack




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