Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

Matthew East mdke at
Wed Nov 12 07:49:26 UTC 2008

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Martin Owens <doctormo at> wrote:
>> This list was created to give users a way to discuss Ubuntu development with
>> developers.  Comments like "I was just joking about you having to know
>> anything" make the decision to unsubscribe easy.  I'm seriously considering
>> it myself.
> It should remain, developers should remain.

I agree. If developers are unsubscribing from one of the two main
development mailing lists, we have a serious communication problem in
the community that needs to be addressed. When the distinction between
-devel and -devel-discuss was set up, it relied on developers to take
responsibility for following both lists. In the description of
-devel-discuss, you see the phrase "Point of contact for Ubuntu users
to reach Ubuntu developers". For this list to be successful,
developers need to be reading it, or it's not worth having the list in
the first place.

> So on one side I think that list moderators or peers should be very
> prompt in telling the wrong sorts of emails where to go, perhaps with a
> standard template which explains the rules and a little checkbox by the
> offence.

That seems a good idea also. Unsubscribing from a mailing list is not
the correct response to rudeness, it should be perfectly simple to
correct it simply by pointing out some ground rules. That's why we
have the code of conduct. If individuals who regularly read the list
are interested in taking on the role of doing a little gentle
moderating, then I'm pretty sure that it would be successful. From
what I read on this list, I don't actually think that much
intervention would be required.

Matthew East
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