Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

Felipe Figueiredo philsf79 at
Tue Nov 11 17:20:41 UTC 2008

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:47 -0600, Luke L wrote:

> On a practical note, it isn't as if this ML is getting flooded with
> hundreds of messages of traffic a day. For those who could benefit
> from the technical discussions and user input, I don't see why someone
> would disconnect themselves from that for the reason of saving
> themselves 15 minutes a day. As long as there are "signals", the
> "noise" should be dealt with and ultimately set aside.

OTOH, someone has to do this filtering. Will you moderate this list? I,
as a user, don't want ubuntu developers wasting time dealing with
uneducated users' requests that should otherwise be discussed in forums
and brainstorm, dealing with users that consistently use bug reports as
forums, and devel irc channels as support channels, etc. And it looks
like no matter how polite you are with one, there will always be a
hundred more tomorrow. Maybe I'm being a little BOFH-inspired, here, but
I think this kind uneducated user sucks the life out of a project. 

There should be mechanisms to isolate these users to only communicate
with other users, or to devels who want/need to deal with them, but it
looks like the only way is to opt out. The fact that Ubuntu development
is open to the public doesn't necessarily mean that anyone can join in
*every* step of the process. The stages where people are welcome are
well documented, and the ones that are more or less closed to a smaller
proven group is left as an exercise to common sense.

I fully understand why a devel would unsubscribe from this list, and I
read it for only a few months. The kind of rant that started this thread
is not only uncalled for, but in fact counterproductive. Not to mention
these particular ones are unfair, incorrect and (as noted by several
others) exaggerated. He was not asking if he was the one of many, he
basically assumed it affected everyone. Also, he wrongly assumed the
distribution is responsible for all the QA released, likely ignoring
that are distribution bugs and upstream bugs.

There, I did it, I bit the bait. Now can we please move on?


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