You lost a new Ubuntu user

Richard Tattersall tatter_sall at
Mon Dec 29 19:53:00 UTC 2008

I dont feel that the time is quite right to move to having the default release as a DVD.   Obviously at some point in the future as the code increases this will have to happen, but surely this should be a decision taken by the core developers only when they feel that trying to make it fit on a CD will mean removing too much of the core functionality to make it a viable out-of-the-box desktop experience. Much of the usefulness and charm of Ubuntu comes from it maintaining its relatively small size and handyness, even on older systems. As a small aside, i also fear that moving to a DVD too early may result in unessesary bloat.  Is it not possible to release cd images with a default language other than english?  Surely the most logical solution would be to have a separate .iso released for handful of the most common languages.I am not familiar with how translation in software really works so please correct me if I am barking up the wrong tree here. I would also like to lend support to the idea of asking the user before the installer connects to the internet.  Although it may seem trivial to some people, I see it as simply being polite.  I dont want to feel like my OS thinks it knows what I want better than I do. A simple dialog along these lines would suffice, and help the user to feel like they are using an OS, not the other way around: "To install the the following components you have selected, extra packages must be downloaded from the internet:  <packages>To install these now, please click continue.  If you do not wish to install these right now, please click install later<continue><install later>"  > Subject: Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user> From: ccheney at> To: mah at> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:24:28 -0600> CC: ubuntu-devel-discuss at> > On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 12:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:> > Am 28.12.2008 um 07:49 schrieb Chris Cheney:> > > > > Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large > > > percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an > > > issue since many places have a bandwidth cap as well so people > > > wouldn't be downloading the image in the first place?> > > > > > You propose to intentionally get rid of a significant number of > > users? Hmm.> > > > For me, the limited size of the CD is one of the great features of > > Ubuntu as it not only allows a reasonable quick download, but > > obviously stops Ubuntu from bloating as well.> > > > > > MarKus> > Well this discussion did start out due to the fact that the install CD> currently needs an internet connection to install language packs since> they don't fit on the cd. Which brought up the issue of installing them> over an internet connection which in many countries is prohibitively> expensive. So going to a default DVD release could possibly alleviate> this issue, assuming that the users in those countries could get access> to the DVDs via shipit or some other means. Of course they couldn't> download the DVD image for the same reason they can't download updates> and language packs today, that is their internet connection is too> limited and expensive.> > With respect of the cost of pressed CDs vs DVDs for shipit, I don't know> how much they cost. However, some newspapers in the UK give away DVDs> with their newspapers, of course they may be advertising subsidized to> offset the cost.> > Chris > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list> Ubuntu-devel-discuss at> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:

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