<html> <head> <style> .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } </style> </head> <body class='hmmessage'> <STYLE> .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} </STYLE> I dont feel that the time is quite right to move to having the default release as a DVD. Obviously at some point in the future as the code increases this will have to happen, but surely this should be a decision taken by the core developers only when they feel that trying to make it fit on a CD will mean removing too much of the core functionality to make it a viable out-of-the-box desktop experience. Much of the usefulness and charm of Ubuntu comes from it maintaining its relatively small size and handyness, even on older systems. As a small aside, i also fear that moving to a DVD too early may result in unessesary bloat. Is it not possible to release cd images with a default language other than english? Surely the most logical solution would be to have a separate .iso released for handful of the most common languages. I am not familiar with how translation in software really works so please correct me if I am barking up the wrong tree here. I would also like to lend support to the idea of asking the user before the installer connects to the internet. Although it may seem trivial to some people, I see it as simply being polite. I dont want to feel like my OS thinks it knows what I want better than I do. A simple dialog along these lines would suffice, and help the user to feel like they are using an OS, not the other way around: "To install the the following components you have selected, extra packages must be downloaded from the internet: <packages> To install these now, please click continue. If you do not wish to install these right now, please click install later <continue><install later>" > Subject: Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user > From: ccheney@ubuntu.com > To: mah@jump-ing.de > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:24:28 -0600 > CC: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 12:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > > Am 28.12.2008 um 07:49 schrieb Chris Cheney: > > > > > Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large > > > percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an > > > issue since many places have a bandwidth cap as well so people > > > wouldn't be downloading the image in the first place? > > > > > > You propose to intentionally get rid of a significant number of > > users? Hmm. > > > > For me, the limited size of the CD is one of the great features of > > Ubuntu as it not only allows a reasonable quick download, but > > obviously stops Ubuntu from bloating as well. > > > > > > MarKus > > Well this discussion did start out due to the fact that the install CD > currently needs an internet connection to install language packs since > they don't fit on the cd. Which brought up the issue of installing them > over an internet connection which in many countries is prohibitively > expensive. So going to a default DVD release could possibly alleviate > this issue, assuming that the users in those countries could get access > to the DVDs via shipit or some other means. Of course they couldn't > download the DVD image for the same reason they can't download updates > and language packs today, that is their internet connection is too > limited and expensive. > > With respect of the cost of pressed CDs vs DVDs for shipit, I don't know > how much they cost. However, some newspapers in the UK give away DVDs > with their newspapers, of course they may be advertising subsidized to > offset the cost. > > Chris > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss <HR> Take your friends with you with Mobile Messenger. <A href="http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/">Click Here!</A> <hr />Get Windows Live Messenger on your Mobile. <a href='http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/' target='_new'>Click Here!</a></body> </html>