You lost a new Ubuntu user

nergar nergar at
Fri Dec 26 06:35:21 UTC 2008

Tim Hawkins wrote:
> Connecting and transferring data online during an offline media install 
> is not an expected activity, 

No? why not? Its just getting updates!

it is the kind of
> "phone home" activity that is derided of other OS's such as Microsoft 
> windows. 

I think the problem with Microsoft's OS is not the fact that "phones 
home" but the information it sends when it does.

It is especially
> bad given that the user does not know its going to happen, and does not 
> know why it is happening.
> Installing a new operating system is a trust activity, if the OS starts 
> doing things you don't expect it damages that trust. Right at
> the time when the users first impressions are being formed.
> If i use a netboot install, i expect it to access the net, if I install 
> from a CD I expect it to install from the media I designated, the CD.
> I do not expect it to access the net with out informing me what or why 
> it is doing it.
> Just my 2cents.
> On 26 Dec 2008, at 05:29, nergar wrote:
>> This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to
>> get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and
>> if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for
>> permission to connect when opening firefox. The last thing we need are
>> more dialogs to confuse/annoy users.
>> Another thing to take into account is, Linux is about CHOICES. If anyone
>> feels like a control freak they should be using Arch or Gentoo or any
>> other distro that will fit them better.
>> We have more important things to worry about, like stability. Ubuntu has
>> become very unstable lately.
>> HggdH wrote:
>>> Le Thursday 25 December 2008 à 22:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
>>>> 2008/12/25 Manish Sinha < at>:
>>>>> I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main
>>>>> issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without
>>>>> user's consent.
>>>> Having the network cable plugged in implies consent. If you don't want
>>>> you computer connecting to a network, then don't plug it in. I have
>>>> lived in areas of limited and expensive bandwidth, and even for a
>>>> desktop with the network cable under the desk, it seemed common sense
>>>> that so long as it was plugged in, something would try to connect.
>>> Sorry, you are generalising from your own perceptions. The original
>>> complaint was clearly set against going out into the wild Internet
>>> without asking first (and, <gasp/>, downloading other/new programmes).
>>> I agree with it. If I have a full CD with Ubuntu, I do not expect it to
>>> get into the Internet without telling me first, no matter what.
>>> If being connected is what it takes to get out, then warn/suggest the
>>> user to disconnect if no such contact is wanted. But never expect
>>> *implicit*, *implied*, consents to have been given.
>>> The fact that something will try to connect if a connection is available
>>> is the root of the problem. The default should be *NO* connection unless
>>> explicitly allowed, be it out or in.
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Come on! its the year 2008 and it is called the internet!! The 
installation is only trying to get security updates. I can't believe 
there is people actually complaining about SECURITY UPDATES.

Ubuntu is not a nanny.

And as I said before, if Ubuntu doesn't fits you, try something else. 
It's impossible to make everyone happy.

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