ubuntu-desktop Digest, Vol 98, Issue 1
Yusuf Felly
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Tue Aug 13 16:19:10 UTC 2013
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> 1. Re: Default Browser Follow-up (Jason Warner)
> 2. cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No
> such file or directory (Kip Warner)
> 3. Re: Default Browser Follow-up (Benjamin Kerensa)
> 4. Re: cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?:
> No such file or directory (Tim)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:23:02 -0700
> From: Jason Warner <jason.warner at canonical.com>
> To: ubuntu-desktop at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Default Browser Follow-up
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> Hi All -
>
> Here's the latest follow-up on the default browser for 13.10 discussion.
>
> Some great points were raised about the historic pattern of updates around
> Chromium.
>
> First, to get the formalities out the way, Firefox remains the default for
> 13.10.
>
> Second, I'd like to talk about the Chromium issues raised. It was rightly
> pointed out that there have been issues keeping up with Chromium changes.
> The big issue was with Web Apps integration and some changing APIs. Since
> we've introduced Web Apps changes like this have always caused us some
> grief. Web Apps have always been an interim step until we were able to get
> a more self contained web apps container. That work is planned for 13.10
> and progressing well[1]. This should be done for 13.10 and very much
> refined for 14.04.
>
> Lastly, I do want to consider Chromium by default for 14.04 once the above
> is no longer an issue. I sincerely believe Chromium is the better
> experience for general users and should be strongly considered for our next
> LTS. Our next vUDS is August 27th-29th. I don't feel a need to have another
> session on it, this mailing list should suffice. To that end, feel free to
> continue this discussion and raise more thoughts.
>
> Thanks everyone,
> Jason
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jason Warner <jason.warner at canonical.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi All -
> >
> > Just about a month ago we had our second ever vUDS and one of the topics
> > was a possible switch to Chromium as the default browser[1].
> >
> > As promised, here is the follow-up email to the mailing list.
> >
> > In the past few weeks I've seen quite a few articles and comments on the
> > possible switch, and in light of those I'd like to focus this discussion
> a
> > few ways.
> >
> > 1. This is NOT about which browser is better.
> > 2. This is NOT about which browser has more features or X, Y or Z
> feature.
> > 3. Openness and freedom are still part of our core values. However I'd
> > rather not turn this thread into a "who is more open/free" debate.
> >
> > What is important, and ultimately should be the deciding factor, is the
> > common end user experience. Which browser, in the common case, will be
> the
> > best for the general end user? Things I consider relevant to this
> > discussion are quality/stability/robustness, familiarity, ease of use,
> and
> > overall user experience.
> >
> > The secondary case to consider is web developers. I firmly believe that
> > web developers would use both browsers on a regular basis, though do they
> > generally prefer one browser to another? I don't consider this case to
> be a
> > deciding factor, but rather could push one over the top if there isn't a
> > clear front runner.
> >
> > I stated in the original vUDS session that I was leaning towards a switch
> > to Chromium. Several weeks later and I'm still leaning towards Chromium.
> > I'm looking for feedback either way based on the outline above.
> >
> > I'd like to reiterate one point: Neither browser is going away. If
> > Chromium is the default, Firefox will continue to be available to those
> > choosing Firefox. Vise versa for Chromium.
> >
> > Thanks everyone,
> > Jason
> >
> > [1] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XeM75ukJwYg
> >
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> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:13:41 -0700
> From: Kip Warner <kip at thevertigo.com>
> To: ubuntu-desktop at lists.ubuntu.com
> Cc: robert.ancell at canonical.com
> Subject: cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No
> such file or directory
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> Hey list,
>
> My question is specific to the gnome3-team, but I see that they've
> moved their list here.
>
> Ever since upgrading my libpango to the latest on the aforementioned's
> GNOME3 PPA, I have had issues every time update-initramfs is run to
> rebuild the system's initial ramdisk. I am running Xubuntu 13.04
> (amd64). Aptitude reports the following when the appropriate package
> hook is executed:
>
> update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)
> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
> Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ...
> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic
> cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No such
> file or directory
> cp: cannot stat ?/modules/pango-basic-fc.so?: No such file or
> directory
> E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth failed with return 1.
> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic
> with 1.
> dpkg: error processing initramfs-tools (--configure):
> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit
> status 1
> No apport report written because MaxReports has already been
> reached
> Errors were encountered while processing:
> initramfs-tools
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>
> I'm guessing one of the pango packages may be missing some files needed
> to generate the ramdisk. Granted, the PPA is a use at your own risk,
> but this is something that was probably unintentional and can easily be
> patched. Otherwise, this could be dangerous if it leaves the user in an
> unbootable state.
>
> --
> Kip Warner -- Software Engineer
> OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred
> http://www.thevertigo.com
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> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:53:44 -0700
> From: Benjamin Kerensa <bkerensa at ubuntu.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-desktop at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Default Browser Follow-up
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> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Jason Warner
> <jason.warner at canonical.com> wrote:
> > Hi All -
> >
> > Here's the latest follow-up on the default browser for 13.10 discussion.
> >
> > Some great points were raised about the historic pattern of updates
> around
> > Chromium.
> >
> > First, to get the formalities out the way, Firefox remains the default
> for
> > 13.10.
> >
> > Second, I'd like to talk about the Chromium issues raised. It was rightly
> > pointed out that there have been issues keeping up with Chromium changes.
> > The big issue was with Web Apps integration and some changing APIs. Since
> > we've introduced Web Apps changes like this have always caused us some
> > grief. Web Apps have always been an interim step until we were able to
> get a
> > more self contained web apps container. That work is planned for 13.10
> and
> > progressing well[1]. This should be done for 13.10 and very much refined
> for
> > 14.04.
> >
> > Lastly, I do want to consider Chromium by default for 14.04 once the
> above
> > is no longer an issue. I sincerely believe Chromium is the better
> experience
> > for general users and should be strongly considered for our next LTS.
>
> You have not provided any criteria as to why Chromium would provide a
> better experience for general users. I think its important to note
> that so far there has been more opposition by developers and users to
> making Chromium the default.
>
> Without out any evidence of a greater experience I think it would be a
> poor decision to flip default on millions of users.
>
> If you could provide some solid technical justifications that motivate
> this discussion having been started it might be helpful in understand
> why such a change is proposed. If there is something lacking in
> Firefox then perhaps a dialogue can be started upstream and I would be
> happy to help guide such a discussion.
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:07:47 +1000
> From: Tim <darkxst at fastmail.fm>
> To: ubuntu-desktop at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?:
> No such file or directory
> Message-ID: <52096AC3.8090807 at fastmail.fm>
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>
> Hi Kip,
> On 13/08/13 06:13, Kip Warner wrote:
> > Hey list,
> >
> > My question is specific to the gnome3-team, but I see that they've
> > moved their list here.
> ubuntu-gnome at lists.ubuntu.com would be the most appropriate list for
> gnome3-team ppa questions.
> >
> > Ever since upgrading my libpango to the latest on the aforementioned's
> > GNOME3 PPA, I have had issues every time update-initramfs is run to
> > rebuild the system's initial ramdisk. I am running Xubuntu 13.04
> > (amd64). Aptitude reports the following when the appropriate package
> > hook is executed:
> >
> > update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)
> > Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
> > ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
> > Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ...
> > update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic
> > cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No such
> file or directory
> > cp: cannot stat ?/modules/pango-basic-fc.so?: No such file or
> directory
> > E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth failed with return
> 1.
> > update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic
> with 1.
> > dpkg: error processing initramfs-tools (--configure):
> > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error
> exit status 1
> > No apport report written because MaxReports has already been
> reached
> > Errors were encountered while processing:
> > initramfs-tools
> > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>
> >
> > I'm guessing one of the pango packages may be missing some files needed
> > to generate the ramdisk. Granted, the PPA is a use at your own risk,
> > but this is something that was probably unintentional and can easily be
> > patched. Otherwise, this could be dangerous if it leaves the user in an
> > unbootable state.
> >
> >
> Please file a bug using `ubuntu-bug libpango1.0-0`. (This will work for
> the gnome-team ppa's only)
> The gnome3 PPA should be pretty stable, gnome3-staging on the other hand
> is definitely use at your own risk!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
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