<div dir="ltr">unsubscribe</div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM, <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-desktop-request@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-desktop-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send ubuntu-desktop mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-desktop-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-desktop-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:ubuntu-desktop-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-desktop-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-desktop digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Default Browser Follow-up (Jason Warner) 2. cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No such file or directory (Kip Warner) 3. Re: Default Browser Follow-up (Benjamin Kerensa) 4. Re: cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No such file or directory (Tim) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:23:02 -0700 From: Jason Warner <<a href="mailto:jason.warner@canonical.com">jason.warner@canonical.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: Default Browser Follow-up Message-ID: <CAMVRh=<a href="mailto:QpYbeDtosUSxd3EKvJNi5db5r4fdw5suUaHH10mVWisg@mail.gmail.com">QpYbeDtosUSxd3EKvJNi5db5r4fdw5suUaHH10mVWisg@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All - Here's the latest follow-up on the default browser for 13.10 discussion. Some great points were raised about the historic pattern of updates around Chromium. First, to get the formalities out the way, Firefox remains the default for 13.10. Second, I'd like to talk about the Chromium issues raised. It was rightly pointed out that there have been issues keeping up with Chromium changes. The big issue was with Web Apps integration and some changing APIs. Since we've introduced Web Apps changes like this have always caused us some grief. Web Apps have always been an interim step until we were able to get a more self contained web apps container. That work is planned for 13.10 and progressing well[1]. This should be done for 13.10 and very much refined for 14.04. Lastly, I do want to consider Chromium by default for 14.04 once the above is no longer an issue. I sincerely believe Chromium is the better experience for general users and should be strongly considered for our next LTS. Our next vUDS is August 27th-29th. I don't feel a need to have another session on it, this mailing list should suffice. To that end, feel free to continue this discussion and raise more thoughts. Thanks everyone, Jason On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jason Warner <<a href="mailto:jason.warner@canonical.com">jason.warner@canonical.com</a>>wrote: > Hi All - > > Just about a month ago we had our second ever vUDS and one of the topics > was a possible switch to Chromium as the default browser[1]. > > As promised, here is the follow-up email to the mailing list. > > In the past few weeks I've seen quite a few articles and comments on the > possible switch, and in light of those I'd like to focus this discussion a > few ways. > > 1. This is NOT about which browser is better. > 2. This is NOT about which browser has more features or X, Y or Z feature. > 3. Openness and freedom are still part of our core values. However I'd > rather not turn this thread into a "who is more open/free" debate. > > What is important, and ultimately should be the deciding factor, is the > common end user experience. Which browser, in the common case, will be the > best for the general end user? Things I consider relevant to this > discussion are quality/stability/robustness, familiarity, ease of use, and > overall user experience. > > The secondary case to consider is web developers. I firmly believe that > web developers would use both browsers on a regular basis, though do they > generally prefer one browser to another? I don't consider this case to be a > deciding factor, but rather could push one over the top if there isn't a > clear front runner. > > I stated in the original vUDS session that I was leaning towards a switch > to Chromium. Several weeks later and I'm still leaning towards Chromium. > I'm looking for feedback either way based on the outline above. > > I'd like to reiterate one point: Neither browser is going away. If > Chromium is the default, Firefox will continue to be available to those > choosing Firefox. Vise versa for Chromium. > > Thanks everyone, > Jason > > [1] - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XeM75ukJwYg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XeM75ukJwYg</a> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/attachments/20130812/4e2bad28/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/attachments/20130812/4e2bad28/attachment-0001.html</a>> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:13:41 -0700 From: Kip Warner <<a href="mailto:kip@thevertigo.com">kip@thevertigo.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Cc: <a href="mailto:robert.ancell@canonical.com">robert.ancell@canonical.com</a> Subject: cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No such file or directory Message-ID: <1376338421.3411.12.camel@rommel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hey list, My question is specific to the gnome3-team, but I see that they've moved their list here. Ever since upgrading my libpango to the latest on the aforementioned's GNOME3 PPA, I have had issues every time update-initramfs is run to rebuild the system's initial ramdisk. I am running Xubuntu 13.04 (amd64). Aptitude reports the following when the appropriate package hook is executed: update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated) Processing triggers for libc-bin ... ldconfig deferred processing now taking place Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ... update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No such file or directory cp: cannot stat ?/modules/pango-basic-fc.so?: No such file or directory E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth failed with return 1. update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic with 1. dpkg: error processing initramfs-tools (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 No apport report written because MaxReports has already been reached Errors were encountered while processing: initramfs-tools E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I'm guessing one of the pango packages may be missing some files needed to generate the ramdisk. Granted, the PPA is a use at your own risk, but this is something that was probably unintentional and can easily be patched. Otherwise, this could be dangerous if it leaves the user in an unbootable state. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred <a href="http://www.thevertigo.com" target="_blank">http://www.thevertigo.com</a> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/attachments/20130812/63de0e4d/attachment-0001.pgp" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/attachments/20130812/63de0e4d/attachment-0001.pgp</a>> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:53:44 -0700 From: Benjamin Kerensa <<a href="mailto:bkerensa@ubuntu.com">bkerensa@ubuntu.com</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: Default Browser Follow-up Message-ID: <CAGOdq5moFJSWW7YxeZE0HpaChyPeaRT+Ks=<a href="mailto:nd709AtGqZQs7sA@mail.gmail.com">nd709AtGqZQs7sA@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Jason Warner <<a href="mailto:jason.warner@canonical.com">jason.warner@canonical.com</a>> wrote: > Hi All - > > Here's the latest follow-up on the default browser for 13.10 discussion. > > Some great points were raised about the historic pattern of updates around > Chromium. > > First, to get the formalities out the way, Firefox remains the default for > 13.10. > > Second, I'd like to talk about the Chromium issues raised. It was rightly > pointed out that there have been issues keeping up with Chromium changes. > The big issue was with Web Apps integration and some changing APIs. Since > we've introduced Web Apps changes like this have always caused us some > grief. Web Apps have always been an interim step until we were able to get a > more self contained web apps container. That work is planned for 13.10 and > progressing well[1]. This should be done for 13.10 and very much refined for > 14.04. > > Lastly, I do want to consider Chromium by default for 14.04 once the above > is no longer an issue. I sincerely believe Chromium is the better experience > for general users and should be strongly considered for our next LTS. You have not provided any criteria as to why Chromium would provide a better experience for general users. I think its important to note that so far there has been more opposition by developers and users to making Chromium the default. Without out any evidence of a greater experience I think it would be a poor decision to flip default on millions of users. If you could provide some solid technical justifications that motivate this discussion having been started it might be helpful in understand why such a change is proposed. If there is something lacking in Firefox then perhaps a dialogue can be started upstream and I would be happy to help guide such a discussion. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:07:47 +1000 From: Tim <<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No such file or directory Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:52096AC3.8090807@fastmail.fm">52096AC3.8090807@fastmail.fm</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Kip, On 13/08/13 06:13, Kip Warner wrote: > Hey list, > > My question is specific to the gnome3-team, but I see that they've > moved their list here. <a href="mailto:ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com</a> would be the most appropriate list for gnome3-team ppa questions. > > Ever since upgrading my libpango to the latest on the aforementioned's > GNOME3 PPA, I have had issues every time update-initramfs is run to > rebuild the system's initial ramdisk. I am running Xubuntu 13.04 > (amd64). Aptitude reports the following when the appropriate package > hook is executed: > > update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated) > Processing triggers for libc-bin ... > ldconfig deferred processing now taking place > Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ... > update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic > cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No such file or directory > cp: cannot stat ?/modules/pango-basic-fc.so?: No such file or directory > E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth failed with return 1. > update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic with 1. > dpkg: error processing initramfs-tools (--configure): > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 > No apport report written because MaxReports has already been reached > Errors were encountered while processing: > initramfs-tools > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > I'm guessing one of the pango packages may be missing some files needed > to generate the ramdisk. Granted, the PPA is a use at your own risk, > but this is something that was probably unintentional and can easily be > patched. Otherwise, this could be dangerous if it leaves the user in an > unbootable state. > > Please file a bug using `ubuntu-bug libpango1.0-0`. (This will work for the gnome-team ppa's only) The gnome3 PPA should be pretty stable, gnome3-staging on the other hand is definitely use at your own risk! Tim ------------------------------ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop</a> End of ubuntu-desktop Digest, Vol 98, Issue 1 ********************************************* </blockquote></div> </div>