Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
On Do, 2013-04-04 at 03:10 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Oliver Grawert <ogra at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > you are aware that this tiny minority is the remaining bit of
> > contributing developers left from the once massive dev community we used
> > to have ?
> 
> I have no idea whether number of contributing developers used to be
> larger or not.
> 
> > we have driven many devs away and on the other side attracted a lot of
> > new users which makes handling the bug load harder with every release. i
> > totally agree that having the system settings and even each individual
> > setting app in the dash is nonsense, but we are on the way to make
> > ubuntu an unpleasant place for developers that want to develop
> > ubuntu ...
> 
> But the argument is rather weird.
> "Some people prefer xterm" is definitely not equal to "The same group
> of people will leave Ubuntu community if xterm is hidden by default."
...
> Anyway, Ubuntu is Linux for human beings, 

Developers are human beings too ;) and believe it or not, developers
like to find their tools in the Dash if they search for them.
 
I'm with you that xterm shouldn't be installed by default (though there
are technical reasons it currently is that might or might bot be
fixable, please file a bug for this). If a developer installed it please
don't treat him as a second class person by completely hiding his tools
from the mechanism that he is supposed to use to find them ... 
You wouldnt hide gVim, xEmacs, QTCreator or Eclipse either. 

Thats the only argument i'm making, lets not make Ubuntu an unpleasant
place for developers by hiding their tools and drive them away from the
distro due to feeling unwelcome.

ciao
	oli

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