Can we refocus on the issues at hand?

[Loïc Grobol]

Pardon me, are there really adult people here fighting over "is this
ad hominem" in a thread named "Can we refocus on the issues at hand?".

This is hilarious. Is there a community hall of fail somewhere? This
got to be the top one.

L

On 16 September 2015 at 20:19, Simos Xenitellis
<simos.lists at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Benjamin Kerensa <bkerensa at ubuntu.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, I trust the definition Wikipedia, Webster and the Oxford definition
>> provide versus some random site but that
>> site essentially says the same as wikipedia just with different
>> storytelling.
>>
>
> Ouch.
>
> I ask you what specifically was ad hominem (I mention the "ragequit"), but
> you still have not said.
>
> The Wikipedia description is fine, but you need to read the whole article
> about the types of ad hominem attacks.
> Which one of the types of ad hominem attack do you think has taken place
> here?
> Abusive? Tu quoque? Circumstancial? Guilt by association?
>
> There are national elections around here and I am sensitive to picking up
> fallacies.
>
> Simos
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Simos Xenitellis
>> <simos.lists at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Benjamin Kerensa <bkerensa at ubuntu.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 16, 2015 10:06 AM, "Simos Xenitellis"
>>>> <simos.lists at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Benjamin Kerensa
>>>> > <bkerensa at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The ad hominem attack is strong in you today.
>>>> >
>>>> > An "ad hominem" attack is when you debate someone and call them "fat",
>>>> > "bald" or anything disparaging but irrelevant to the discussion.
>>>> > If you call "ad hominem", then in your reply you need to highlight the
>>>> > exact issue.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> From Wikipedia:
>>>> An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for
>>>> argumentum ad hominem, means responding to arguments by attacking a person's
>>>> character, rather than addressing the content of their arguments.
>>>>
>>>> This is exactly what Jorge did because instead of addressing the matter
>>>> at hand he made attacks against my character not addressing the content of
>>>> the argument.
>>>>
>>>> Mind you if you look to the list everyone was upset so no of course he
>>>> not discuss that content but launched into ad hominem.
>>>>
>>>> I even politely sent him a private email and his response there was very
>>>> rude too.
>>>
>>> "Ad hominem" is a bit more nuanced than that. See
>>> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem and the listed example.
>>> The reference to you is about the frequent ragequits. Do you consider
>>> that as ad hominen? It is not.
>>> An ad hominem would be if he said you are the guy that puts ice cubes in
>>> the beer.
>>>
>>> Simos
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Loïc Grobol.