Community Council Statement: Jonathan Riddell
Benjamin Kerensa
bkerensa at ubuntu.com
Sat May 30 18:46:57 UTC 2015
Maybe the KC was unclear that was a request from the CC since you
previously said
your communication was as an individual. Again the CC in my experience
almost
always emails teams directly and setups up a time.... Usually I have seen
Lyz send out these invites on behalf of the CC.
On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Michael Hall <mhall119 at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On 05/30/2015 12:29 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
> > Maybe the CC should make a request to meet? AFAIK the CC other than its
> > "request" for Jonathan
> > to step down has not actually formally asked the KC to meet with the CC.
> >
>
> From the emails that ScottK posted on his blog, you will find at least
> the following.
>
> cproffit:
> "We have a few members who are not on-line currently and have not read
> the email so I can not speak for them, but do you feel that a meeting
> with the Kubuntu Council and the Community Council would be a good step
> forward in this matter?"
>
> cproffit:
> "I think the point in the discussion would be to better understand why
> the CC came to this conclusion that they had to make this request. It
> may not change minds on either side, but we should have the discussion."
>
> me:
> "Let’s get together on IRC, Google Hangout, or any other medium that
> works for you so that we can work through this together."
>
> me:
> "If you feel there is a reason for the CC to once again trust Jonathan’s
> intentions, then by all means let’s talk about it.The CC and the KC are
> not adversaries, we are partners. We are eager to have this discussion
> with you."
>
> me:
> "So I invite any members of the Kubuntu Council who
> want to talk to pick a time and a place for us to talk."
>
> me:
> "If anybody wants to talk to me, or yell at me, or tell me what a stupid
> thing we’ve done and how big of a jerk I am, I am mhall119 on Freenode
> and my email address is below...At this point I don’t care what is said
> so long as we finally start talking."
>
>
> > Isn't that the usual process that the CC emails teams it want to meet
> > with and makes a
> > request? Having been on one of the teams the CC meets with I recall it
> > working that way.
> >
> > On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Michael Hall <mhall119 at ubuntu.com
> > <mailto:mhall119 at ubuntu.com>> wrote:
> >
> > In that case I hope that any member of the KC who doesn't adhere to
> that
> > condition will contact any of us on the CC so we can start that
> dialog.
> >
> >
> > Michael Hall
> > mhall119 at ubuntu.com <mailto:mhall119 at ubuntu.com>
> >
> > On 05/29/2015 11:48 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Benjamin Kerensa <
> bkerensa at ubuntu.com <mailto:bkerensa at ubuntu.com>
> > > <mailto:bkerensa at ubuntu.com <mailto:bkerensa at ubuntu.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > "However, the Kubuntu Council put a condition of the Community
> > > Council’s request to Jonathan be removed before they would
> agree to
> > > a meeting.[3, 4, 5]"
> > >
> > > Incorrect. Those were all individuals who made it clear they
> were
> > > speaking as individuals just like the individuals of the CC
> made
> > > clear their early emails were not representative of the CC as
> a whole.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Charles Profitt
> > > <ubuntu at cprofitt.com <mailto:ubuntu at cprofitt.com>
> > <mailto:ubuntu at cprofitt.com <mailto:ubuntu at cprofitt.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > __
> > >
> > > The Community Council is currently working on a
> communication to
> > > the Kubuntu Council with regard to their request for
> additional
> > > information. The Community Council will be providing a
> much more
> > > detailed list of incidents, with context, to the Kubuntu
> > > Council. The Community Council wishes to respect the
> privacy of
> > > those involved so those details will not be made public by
> us.
> > >
> > >
> > > The details below are meant to give the larger Ubuntu
> Community
> > > more information on the issue.
> > >
> > >
> > > The Ubuntu Community Council (CC) believes in making the
> Ubuntu
> > > community a wonderful place to participate. We strongly
> support
> > > people treating one another with respect regardless of
> their
> > > differences of opinion.
> > >
> > >
> > > It is important that it is understood that we will not be
> > > reversing that decision.
> > >
> > >
> > > Framework:
> > >
> > > We would like to better explain the framework the Community
> > > Council used to make this difficult decision.
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > Be Respectful
> > >
> > > o
> > >
> > > Disagreement is no excuse for poor manners.
> > >
> > > o
> > >
> > > Assume good intentions.
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > Value decisiveness, clarity and consensus
> > >
> > > o
> > >
> > > Disagreements, social and technical, are normal,
> > but we
> > > do not allow them to persist and fester.
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > We value discussion, data and decisiveness
> > >
> > > o
> > >
> > > Ultimately, if a decision has been taken by the
> people
> > > responsible for it, and is supported by the project
> > > governance, it will stand.
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > Take responsibility for our words and our actions
> > >
> > > o
> > >
> > > If someone has been harmed or offended, we listen
> > > carefully and respectfully, and work to right the
> > wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > > Communications with Jonathan Riddell:
> > >
> > > Starting in December of 2013 Jonathan Riddell started a
> series
> > > of communications with the Community Council with regards
> > to IP
> > > policy and the community funding program.
> > >
> > >
> > > The Community Council in good faith believing that
> > Jonathan was
> > > acting with good intentions took action items to work with
> > > Canonical to resolve the issues raised.
> > >
> > >
> > > Over the course of the next two and a half years Jonathan
> > became
> > > increasingly confrontational in his interactions with the
> > > Community Council over these two items. At times his
> wording
> > > caused offense and were potentially harmful to the
> > community due
> > > to his making worst case assumptions. [1] One of the best
> > > examples of this behavior is the March 19th Community
> Council
> > > meetings. Jonathan was demanding that the Community
> > Council make
> > > a statement that agreed with his position and was
> unwilling to
> > > accept the decision that the Community Council made with
> > regard
> > > to waiting until Canonical had finished a review of the IP
> > > policy. In that same meeting Jonathan was insensitive to
> the
> > > requests that he be more respectful and that he was making
> the
> > > situation more difficult.[2]
> > >
> > >
> > > To be clear, it is not the individual communications nor
> > > questions that were the issue. The questions are valid and
> > > important. It was the increasingly hostile tone of the
> > > communications coupled with untenable demands and
> > assumptions of
> > > the worst possible behavior on the part of Canonical and
> the
> > > Community Council. Jonathan appeared unwilling to take a
> step
> > > back and evaluate how he was communicating with the
> Community
> > > Council nor was he willing to contemplate anything less
> > than the
> > > worst possible motivation on the part of Canonical.
> > >
> > >
> > > Based on the pattern of communications the Community
> Council
> > > decided to ask Jonathan to step back from leadership for a
> > > period of one year. We were careful to delineate that he
> would
> > > keep his membership and development rights so that he could
> > > continue his excellent work on Kubuntu. The purpose was to
> > have
> > > Jonathan take a break from leadership so that he could
> reflect
> > > and we could work on rebuilding a collaborative
> relationship
> > > with the KDE Community in Ubuntu.
> > >
> > >
> > > Private vs Public
> > >
> > > The Ubuntu Community Council values transparency, but we
> also
> > > value personal privacy and public reputations. We also
> > feel that
> > > some relationships can best be repaired in private. Once
> we
> > > made the decision with regards to Jonathan we sent an
> email to
> > > him and the Kubuntu Council. Their first response
> requested an
> > > explanation which we were willing to give and wanted to do
> > so in
> > > a meeting with them. However, the Kubuntu Council put a
> > > condition of the Community Council’s request to Jonathan be
> > > removed before they would agree to a meeting.[3, 4, 5]
> > >
> > >
> > > Moving Forward:
> > >
> > > The examples we are citing here are not a full list, but
> serve
> > > to explain our decision.
> > >
> > >
> > > If at any point in the last two and a half years Jonathan
> had
> > > paused and considered the assertions that he was being
> > > aggressive and making things more difficult, this situation
> > > could have been avoided. In the end we felt that Jonathan
> had
> > > become unreasonable and was making worst-case assumptions
> > about
> > > the motivations of anyone who did not agree with his
> > positions.
> > > For that reason we have determined that he cannot represent
> > > Ubuntu or parts of its community. We hope that, given a
> year,
> > > Jonathan will return as a more constructive force in the
> > community.
> > >
> > >
> > > Looking back, there has been a constant willingness on
> > > Jonathan’s behalf to portray Kubuntu as somehow at odds
> with
> > > Canonical or the rest of Ubuntu. The portrayal of the
> > project as
> > > a ‘blue-headed stepchild’, for example, is in and of
> itself a
> > > divisive position. We very much want KDE to feel welcome
> and
> > > included and there are many other teams that are most
> happy to
> > > collaborate to enable the best possible expression of what
> the
> > > code has to offer our shared users. We are open and wish to
> > > encourage people passionate about both KDE and Ubuntu to
> lead
> > > that work.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now is time to discuss how the Ubuntu Community moves
> forward
> > > with Kubuntu as part of that community. We hope that the
> > Kubuntu
> > > Council will reach out to us in the near future and
> discuss a
> > > path forward as we continue to work together in the spirit
> > of “I
> > > am what I am because of who we all are.”
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > [1] On the 23rd of February 2015Jonathan made the following
> > > statement:
> > > “If the funding from October 2012 really isn't included in
> the
> > > current community fund and it simply has been stolen by
> > > Canonical this is worse than I had thought.”
> > >
> > >
> > > [2]On March 19th of 2015 Jonathan made the following
> > statements:
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > “czajkowski: best stop giving in to their stalling and
> > just
> > > make a statement”
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > “mhall119: make a public statement saying it is untrue
> and
> > > irrelevent”
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > “pleia2: so make a public statement that it is untrue”
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > “czajkowski: so time to give up on the canonical legal
> > dept,
> > > they have been stalling for a year, enough already”
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > “I'm astonished that the CC doesn't understand the
> > basics of
> > > free software or how it can be harmed by claims that
> our
> > > software is not Free”
> > >
> > > On March 19th of 2015 the following statements were made to
> > > Jonathan which he ignored or derided:
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > “Riddell: you're really making this harder than needs
> be,
> > > you'd swear the CC sit around doing nothing”
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > “Riddell: In order to make a public statement on a
> legal
> > > matter the CC would have to have a legal expert
> familiar
> > > with international law and the laws of several
> > countries. I
> > > do not feel qualified to make any such public
> statement. I
> > > also would like to say that public thrashing about on
> the
> > > topic does not help the situation either.”
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > “Riddell: I do not see it as an excuse Riddell, but I
> > would
> > > like to ask you to be more respectful of the people
> trying
> > > to sort through the issue.”
> > >
> > >
> > > [3] Charles PThu May 21 12:43:41 UTC 2015
> > >
> > > “I wanted to send you a quick email to let you know the CC
> has
> > > received your email and the one directly from Jonathan. We
> have
> > > a few members who are not on-line currently and have not
> read
> > > the email so I can not speak for them, but do you feel
> that a
> > > meeting with the Kubuntu Council and the Community Council
> would
> > > be a good step forward in this matter?”
> > >
> > >
> > > [4] Myriam SThu May 21 21:30:12 UTC 2015
> > >
> > > “ I am sure a meeting would be useful to clarify the
> situation,
> > > but personally I am not happy with the threat issued to
> > > Jonathan, I think this would need to be resolved before we
> meet.”
> > >
> > >
> > > [5]Scott KThu May 21 23:39:36 UTC 2015
> > >
> > > “If the CC wants to have a discussion about a
> non-catastrophic
> > > path forward, I think that would be wonderful, but I for
> one
> > > will not be involved in such discussions what Jonathon is
> under
> > > immediate threat.”
> > >
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> Michael Hall
> mhall119 at ubuntu.com
>
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