donation to flavours in 2012

[Felix Lange]

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May I, as a all-day Kubuntu User, interfere?
The issue at its core seems to be - as far as i understood - that
Canonical collected Money for flavors of Ubuntu, with the collecting
as a own Idea of them, but newer really payed that Money to Kubuntu,
right?
as Jonathan allready stated, he doesn't know at with cost Ubuntu Gnome
was developed. So Before contacting Canonical and demanding money,
asking the Ubuntu Gnome team if they got some of the Money - like
Jonathan did - is the best idea at this state.
Of corse, if canonical collected Money for one reason and now spends
it for another is critical, and pointing this issue out is definitely
good. But as Problems allways get worse when money is involved, asking
other flavors first is definitely a good idea. And no, it's not
Jonathan's job to get Canonicals finance done. But i wouldn't straight
away say that Canonical is braking trust or even acting criminally,
they are acting uncommunicative, in worst case. And if they Spent the
Money on different Projects, it might be worth asking what projects
exactly, maybe they did help flavors after all, directly or
indirectly. pleas keep that in mind.
Summed up, i  think we're still missing information in order to judge
rather Canonical is acting right or wrong.
Just my thoughts on the topic, but as i'm not involved i might as well
simply have no clue how things are going or handled.
Felix Lange


On 14.05.2015 15:19, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 05:11:03AM -0700, Nathan Haines wrote:
>> On 05/14/2015 04:29 AM, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
>> 
>>> Kubuntu never saw any of this money.  Did anyone from other 
>>> flavours see any better support beyond what was already 
>>> established?  Ubuntu Gnome was added in the 13.04 release but
>>> I doubt that added any significant costs to what was already 
>>> allocated.
>> 
>> How many funding requests did Kubuntu make, and how many were 
>> rejected?
> 
> There was no way to ask for this money and there still isn't. They 
> collected it using our name without our consultation.
> 
>>> Despite being on ubuntu.com the final donation goes to 
>>> Canonical and decisions on this community fund are taken by 
>>> Canonical's community team which has said it otherwise isn't 
>>> involved with Ubuntu community teams outwith the ones
>>> Canonical is interested in.  Does anyone agree this seems a
>>> mismatched setup?
>> 
>> No, not at all.  Canonical is collecting the money and paying
>> the taxes and administering the funds.  This is a pretty
>> ubiquitous arrangement in projects that have an incorporated
>> entity, and not out of the ordinary.
> 
> Canonical is not an incorporated entity with which Kubuntu is part,
> that has been the case since Feb 2012.
> 
>> A more serious breach of trust is to spend the money on other 
>> things instead.
> 
> Yes, this is what Michael has said is the case.
> 
>>> would rather I let it drop, should I?
>> 
>> If the substance of the complaint is that you didn't receive 
>> money you didn't ask for, then probably.
> 
> I have asked numberous times for the community council to 
> administer this money.  I never asked for Canonical to collect it, 
> it should not be up to me to sort out their finances.
> 
> Jonathan
> 

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