Re-imagining

Wed Apr 10 20:15:36 UTC 2013

I don't entirely agree, but I think the control you're talking about comes
from the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and the ultimate authority of the Ubuntu
Community Council (which has delegated LoCo matters to its LoCo Council
subcommittee).

Nationally, I don't think we need "control" over city teams.  The way
things are currently we need some way to decide, say, who maintains the
mailing list and who gets the emails from the LoCo council.  And that's
mostly me because I decided to pick up that stuff which had been left
neglected years ago.

Leaders tend to arise from the city teams by virtue of them being the
person who does things.

I feel like we're drifting wildly into generalities, though.   Do you think
Ubuntu Canada has a problem with leadership and/or control?  Should it have
more?  Less?  From my perspective, I have a hard time seeing how it could
have much less, but then it'd be hard for me to resent myself.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:00 PM, David M. Pelly <david.pelly at hotmail.ca>wrote:

> About control:
>
> The point that has to be known and understood is that nothing can be
> accomplished without control and leadership.
>
> In order to be effective and achieve it's goals, every organization must
> have mandates,  mission statements,  codes of conduct, and codes of ethics.
>
>
> In order to succeed everything must have  system, order and control.
>
> And it's members need to have a good sense of common sense, useful
> intelligence, need to have their heads screwed on right,  a good sense of
> right and wrong, good reasoning abilities,  good logic, good life skills,
> good people skills, good getting along skills,  good team work skills,
> need  to be properly educated, have good character and good work ethics, be
> responsible and the like.
>
> There are  a lot of factors and qualities that make up a good person.
>
> And any organization is only as good as it's members.
>
> And anyone is only as good as they have been bred, brought up, trained and
> educated.
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>
>
> And there is a right way and a wrong way to do everything.
>
> There is good control and bad control.
>
> Think about controlling your life,  your family, your career.
>
> Or the place you work.
>
> Without  good control, the right kind of control,  everything will self
> destruct.
>
> If it is with you and your car,  without properly controlling it,  you
> know what happens.
>
> Without  good control one's personal life does not get anywhere.
>
> Without good control  a person's life is like a leaf in the  wind.
>
>
> So good control, the right kind of control is good and necessary.
>
> The better the leadership, the better the control,  the more successful
> the organization.
>
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>
> David
>
>
>  For all your days be prepared, and meet them ever alike.
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> When you are the anvil, bear - when you are the hammer, strike.
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>  Edwin Markham
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> In vain we build a world,  if at first we don't build the man. Edwin
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> In vain we build anything,  unless at first we build the man.
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> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:49:22 -0400
> Subject: Re: Re-imagining
> From: dscassel at gmail.com
> To: ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
>
>
> I'm not arguing for "centralization of control."  Who has time for
> control?
>
> Like I've said, I'm all for city teams being more formally established as
> a thing and more formally recognized by the LoCo council (my take on the
> Moscow ridiculousness is here:
> http://ubuntu.5.x6.nabble.com/Re-Ubuntu-Moscow-LoCo-tp5019872p5020043.html).
>
>
> I see the broader LoCo team, whatever its boundaries, as being a
> communication and collaboration mechanism.  (That and I like the Ubuntu
> Canada logo better than anything I could come up with for Ubuntu Waterloo,
> so I'd probably prefer to make stickers of that to put on my laptop).
>
> Darcy.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Kip Warner <kip at thevertigo.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 18:56 -0400, Darcy Casselman wrote:
> > It is arbitrary.  The goal, I think, is to subdivide the world into large
> > areas that catch everybody.  Limiting to *only* cities wouldn't catch
> > everybody and in all but a few cases wouldn't, again, have the traffic to
> > justify the *online* community.
>
> It would be better to allow them to form organically at whatever size
> and over whatever locality they choose to. If there is a desire to
> create both an Ubuntu Russia LoCo as well as an Ubuntu Moscow LoCo, so
> be it. It should be overly clear to all of us of an internet generation
> the fallacy of over reliance on centralization of control.
>
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