Re-imagining

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I run 12.04 with Gnome2 which seems to be the desktop preference for
younger users. Surprisingly seniors seem to be most taken with Unity
(*gag*) but that might be the larger icons and simple dash.

Mark

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 07:09 -0700, Colin McCubbin wrote:
> Dictionary definition of Ditto : having the same characteristics :
> 
> So I mean Firefox is the same as Thunderbird, which I had previously
> said was fine.
> 
> Personally Mint with Cinnamon desktop is what I would recommend to
> friends and family.. At least until Ubuntu decides what it wants to
> be.. An Os for the Desktop? Mobile phone? Tablet? I don't think
> Ubuntu's trying to be 'all things to all men' really works, it just
> adds confusion.
> 
> Colin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 04/07/13 20:59, David M. Pelly wrote:
> 
> > Colin,
> > 
> > When you say:
> > 
> > Re: Mint: 
> > 
> > "Firefox ditto for browsing." 
> > 
> > 
> > What do you mean?
> > 
> > Good or bad?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > David 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:29:10 -0700
> > > From: colinmcc at direct.ca
> > > To: ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: Re: Re-imagining
> > > 
> > > I used Ubuntu 9.05 for years and loved it.. Kept rolling to 9.05
> > back 
> > > after upgrades that made major changes to a system/desktop that I
> > was 
> > > happy with, apart from the fact that I never successfully got
> > dual 
> > > screens to work.
> > > 
> > > Saw an advert for a mint box, bought one, the pro version, it
> > 'just' 
> > > worked with dual screens out of the box. I'm happy again.
> > > 
> > > I'm fairly technical, I hand wrote assembler and machine code for
> > both 
> > > Control Data (pre Intel's 8080 family) & Digital Research(CPM)
> > and 
> > > drivers for early versions of DOS in my youth, but now retired and
> > aged 
> > > 62 I just want to sit down at a system that works.. Under Mint 
> > > Thunderbird is fine for email, Firefox ditto for browsing. I
> > happily 
> > > build webpages for folk in gedit and create/edit graphics in GIMP.
> > > 
> > > I bought my wife a laptop from system 76 since it had Ubuntu 
> > > pre-installed, and she hates it.. Keeps on asking 'why does it do
> > that / 
> > > how do I do this'.. I often have to answer 'I've no idea, the last
> > time 
> > > I used Ubuntu it did something else.' ;-(
> > > 
> > > If I was asked to recommend a OS to a relative or friend, I'm
> > afraid I 
> > > would (currently) volunteer Mint over Ubuntu.
> > > 
> > > 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' comes to mind. Probably makes me
> > sound 
> > > like a Luddite, I actually can see why fundamental parts such as
> > X / 
> > > grub etc need replacing, but I'm no longer interested in spending
> > days 
> > > wondering 'WTF has happened' after each upgrade. Now that I'm a 
> > > consumer, no longer a techie, I, like most of the poor sods who
> > are 
> > > still on the Windoze platform 'just want it to work'..
> > > 
> > > Colin
> > > Osoyoos
> > > BC
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 04/07/13 13:34, Ralph Janke wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:39:00PM -0700, Randall Ross wrote:
> > > >> It's nice to see this list come alive with stuff other than
> > requests for
> > > >> help.
> > > >>
> > > >> That aside, as people are re-imagining, perhaps everyone in
> > Canada that
> > > >> loves Ubuntu needs to begin asking this question of themselves:
> > > >>
> > > >> "Of my three closest friends and family members, how many enjoy
> > > >> Ubuntu on a daily basis?"
> > > >>
> > > > All of them.. But what does this proof? What is the point of it?
> > As it
> > > > was said in a very good movie before.. If you build it, they
> > will come.
> > > >
> > > > The problem with the Ubuntu community is that it is falling
> > apart. Advocacy
> > > > will not make this working. At this time Mint has far more hits
> > than
> > > > Ubuntu has. I wonder why that is the case. I do not see a lot of
> > Advocacy
> > > > going on at Mint. However, they seem to build stuff that people
> > are
> > > > willing to come for.
> > > >
> > > >> Ubuntu advocacy and adoption (the software, the philosophy, and
> > the
> > > >> project) starts locally. In other words, "You can't change the
> > world if
> > > >> you can't change your world."
> > > >>
> > > >> Once the above is answered and solved, I suggest that you ask
> > the question:
> > > >>
> > > >> "Why is there no Ubuntu group in my city? There are more than
> > enough
> > > >> people here to have one."
> > > >>
> > > > There is an Ubuntu group in this city.. But again.. what is the
> > point, if
> > > > it does not contribute to what is built and what people are
> > willing to come for.
> > > >
> > > >> Ubuntu is not a national construct. It has nothing to do with
> > our flag.
> > > >> It does not care if your government is in Ottawa or in Tripoli
> > or in Taipei.
> > > >>
> > > >> Nor is Ubuntu a stare at your screen construct. Ubuntu is
> > personal and
> > > >> face-to-face. Find your friends, families, neighbours,
> > co-workers, and
> > > >> anyone else in your town who wants technology to work for
> > people (and
> > > >> not vice-versa) and gather them. Do it often. Form a community
> > that
> > > >> meets face-to-face and spreads Ubuntu where you live. The rest
> > will follow.
> > > >>
> > > >> Over time, cities can band together and create bigger teams, if
> > and when
> > > >> that makes sense for Ubuntu.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Randall
> > > >> Ubuntu Vancouver Buzz Generator.
> > > >>
> > > > Well.. First it needs to work. It is very ineefficent to support
> > non-techs
> > > > with something that does not work very well for myself. And mutt
> > is certainly
> > > > not an e-mail client to give to non-technical users, but this is
> > the only
> > > > one, I am able to connect to my e-mail accounts.
> > > >
> > > > At one point Linux was measured on if it was easier to connect
> > to a Printer
> > > > than Windows... Well, it is now... however, there is still far
> > too much stuff
> > > > that does not work very well. Mint seem to do a lot of good
> > things in that direction,
> > > > Ubuntu has regressed a little in this regard, I have to say.
> > > >
> > > > Also, everything has to be seen in the wider concept. We are not
> > all Mark Shuttleworths
> > > > with unlimited budgets. Some of us have to pay bills and trying
> > to send kids to college.
> > > > Why should I put my efforts into something (Advocacy) that does
> > not help me to
> > > > achieve my immediate goals, nor is shown any appreciation for by
> > the powers to be.
> > > >
> > > > The best advocacy is to build something that they will come for
> > and treat them with the
> > > > respect the expect. Far more valuable to try to try to convince
> > people to do something
> > > > they have no interest to do (irrelevant if it is good for them
> > or not).
> > > >
> > > > I have been with Ubuntu for a long time, and I likely will be
> > there for a long future,
> > > > but I have seen a lot of things change, and not all of them are
> > for the better. However,
> > > > I remember that advocacy was not the issue when we were building
> > things that people
> > > > would come for. And being called 1337 crowd for wanting basic
> > functionality to work is
> > > > not very appealing either.
> > > >
> > > > Just my 2 Candian cents, minted or non minted, this is the
> > question!
> > > >
> > > > Ralph
> > > >
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