Re-imagining

Mon Apr 8 14:09:38 UTC 2013

*Dictionary definition of Ditto :* having the same characteristics *:*

So I mean Firefox is the same as Thunderbird, which I had previously 
said was fine.

Personally Mint with Cinnamon desktop is what I would recommend to 
friends and family.. At least until Ubuntu decides what it wants to be.. 
An Os for the Desktop? Mobile phone? Tablet? I don't think Ubuntu's 
trying to be 'all things to all men' really works, it just adds confusion.

Colin

On 04/07/13 20:59, David M. Pelly wrote:
> Colin,
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> Re: Mint:
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> "Firefox ditto for browsing."
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> What do you mean?
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> Good or bad?
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> David
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> > Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:29:10 -0700
> > From: colinmcc at direct.ca
> > To: ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: Re-imagining
> >
> > I used Ubuntu 9.05 for years and loved it.. Kept rolling to 9.05 back
> > after upgrades that made major changes to a system/desktop that I was
> > happy with, apart from the fact that I never successfully got dual
> > screens to work.
> >
> > Saw an advert for a mint box, bought one, the pro version, it 'just'
> > worked with dual screens out of the box. I'm happy again.
> >
> > I'm fairly technical, I hand wrote assembler and machine code for both
> > Control Data (pre Intel's 8080 family) & Digital Research(CPM) and
> > drivers for early versions of DOS in my youth, but now retired and aged
> > 62 I just want to sit down at a system that works.. Under Mint
> > Thunderbird is fine for email, Firefox ditto for browsing. I happily
> > build webpages for folk in gedit and create/edit graphics in GIMP.
> >
> > I bought my wife a laptop from system 76 since it had Ubuntu
> > pre-installed, and she hates it.. Keeps on asking 'why does it do 
> that /
> > how do I do this'.. I often have to answer 'I've no idea, the last time
> > I used Ubuntu it did something else.' ;-(
> >
> > If I was asked to recommend a OS to a relative or friend, I'm afraid I
> > would (currently) volunteer Mint over Ubuntu.
> >
> > 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' comes to mind. Probably makes me 
> sound
> > like a Luddite, I actually can see why fundamental parts such as X /
> > grub etc need replacing, but I'm no longer interested in spending days
> > wondering 'WTF has happened' after each upgrade. Now that I'm a
> > consumer, no longer a techie, I, like most of the poor sods who are
> > still on the Windoze platform 'just want it to work'..
> >
> > Colin
> > Osoyoos
> > BC
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> > On 04/07/13 13:34, Ralph Janke wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:39:00PM -0700, Randall Ross wrote:
> > >> It's nice to see this list come alive with stuff other than 
> requests for
> > >> help.
> > >>
> > >> That aside, as people are re-imagining, perhaps everyone in 
> Canada that
> > >> loves Ubuntu needs to begin asking this question of themselves:
> > >>
> > >> "Of my three closest friends and family members, how many enjoy
> > >> Ubuntu on a daily basis?"
> > >>
> > > All of them.. But what does this proof? What is the point of it? As it
> > > was said in a very good movie before.. If you build it, they will 
> come.
> > >
> > > The problem with the Ubuntu community is that it is falling apart. 
> Advocacy
> > > will not make this working. At this time Mint has far more hits than
> > > Ubuntu has. I wonder why that is the case. I do not see a lot of 
> Advocacy
> > > going on at Mint. However, they seem to build stuff that people are
> > > willing to come for.
> > >
> > >> Ubuntu advocacy and adoption (the software, the philosophy, and the
> > >> project) starts locally. In other words, "You can't change the 
> world if
> > >> you can't change your world."
> > >>
> > >> Once the above is answered and solved, I suggest that you ask the 
> question:
> > >>
> > >> "Why is there no Ubuntu group in my city? There are more than enough
> > >> people here to have one."
> > >>
> > > There is an Ubuntu group in this city.. But again.. what is the 
> point, if
> > > it does not contribute to what is built and what people are 
> willing to come for.
> > >
> > >> Ubuntu is not a national construct. It has nothing to do with our 
> flag.
> > >> It does not care if your government is in Ottawa or in Tripoli or 
> in Taipei.
> > >>
> > >> Nor is Ubuntu a stare at your screen construct. Ubuntu is 
> personal and
> > >> face-to-face. Find your friends, families, neighbours, 
> co-workers, and
> > >> anyone else in your town who wants technology to work for people (and
> > >> not vice-versa) and gather them. Do it often. Form a community that
> > >> meets face-to-face and spreads Ubuntu where you live. The rest 
> will follow.
> > >>
> > >> Over time, cities can band together and create bigger teams, if 
> and when
> > >> that makes sense for Ubuntu.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Randall
> > >> Ubuntu Vancouver Buzz Generator.
> > >>
> > > Well.. First it needs to work. It is very ineefficent to support 
> non-techs
> > > with something that does not work very well for myself. And mutt 
> is certainly
> > > not an e-mail client to give to non-technical users, but this is 
> the only
> > > one, I am able to connect to my e-mail accounts.
> > >
> > > At one point Linux was measured on if it was easier to connect to 
> a Printer
> > > than Windows... Well, it is now... however, there is still far too 
> much stuff
> > > that does not work very well. Mint seem to do a lot of good things 
> in that direction,
> > > Ubuntu has regressed a little in this regard, I have to say.
> > >
> > > Also, everything has to be seen in the wider concept. We are not 
> all Mark Shuttleworths
> > > with unlimited budgets. Some of us have to pay bills and trying to 
> send kids to college.
> > > Why should I put my efforts into something (Advocacy) that does 
> not help me to
> > > achieve my immediate goals, nor is shown any appreciation for by 
> the powers to be.
> > >
> > > The best advocacy is to build something that they will come for 
> and treat them with the
> > > respect the expect. Far more valuable to try to try to convince 
> people to do something
> > > they have no interest to do (irrelevant if it is good for them or 
> not).
> > >
> > > I have been with Ubuntu for a long time, and I likely will be 
> there for a long future,
> > > but I have seen a lot of things change, and not all of them are 
> for the better. However,
> > > I remember that advocacy was not the issue when we were building 
> things that people
> > > would come for. And being called 1337 crowd for wanting basic 
> functionality to work is
> > > not very appealing either.
> > >
> > > Just my 2 Candian cents, minted or non minted, this is the question!
> > >
> > > Ralph
> > >
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