Re-imagining

Mon Apr 8 03:59:34 UTC 2013

Colin,

When you say:

Re: Mint: 

"Firefox ditto for browsing." 

What do you mean?

Good or bad?

David 

> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:29:10 -0700
> From: colinmcc at direct.ca
> To: ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Re-imagining
> 
> I used Ubuntu 9.05 for years and loved it.. Kept rolling to 9.05 back 
> after upgrades that made major changes to a system/desktop that I was 
> happy with, apart from the fact that I never successfully got dual 
> screens to work.
> 
> Saw an advert for a mint box, bought one, the pro version, it 'just' 
> worked with dual screens out of the box. I'm happy again.
> 
> I'm fairly technical, I hand wrote assembler and machine code for both 
> Control Data (pre Intel's 8080 family)  &  Digital Research(CPM) and 
> drivers for early versions of DOS in my youth, but now retired and aged 
> 62 I just want to sit down at a  system that works.. Under Mint 
> Thunderbird is fine for email, Firefox ditto for browsing. I happily 
> build webpages for folk  in gedit and create/edit graphics in GIMP.
> 
> I bought my wife a laptop from system 76 since it had Ubuntu 
> pre-installed, and she hates it.. Keeps on asking 'why does it do that / 
> how do I do this'.. I often have to answer 'I've no idea, the last time 
> I used Ubuntu it did something else.' ;-(
> 
> If I was asked to recommend a OS to a relative or friend, I'm afraid I 
> would (currently) volunteer Mint over Ubuntu.
> 
> 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' comes to mind. Probably makes me sound 
> like a Luddite, I actually can see why fundamental parts such as X / 
> grub etc  need replacing, but I'm no longer interested in spending days 
> wondering 'WTF has happened' after each upgrade. Now that I'm a 
> consumer, no longer a techie,  I, like most of the poor sods who are 
> still on the Windoze platform 'just want it to work'..
> 
> Colin
> Osoyoos
> BC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 04/07/13 13:34, Ralph Janke wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:39:00PM -0700, Randall Ross wrote:
> >> It's nice to see this list come alive with stuff other than requests for
> >> help.
> >>
> >> That aside, as people are re-imagining, perhaps everyone in Canada that
> >> loves Ubuntu needs to begin asking this question of themselves:
> >>
> >>      "Of my three closest friends and family members, how many enjoy
> >> Ubuntu on a daily basis?"
> >>
> > All of them.. But what does this proof? What is the point of it? As it
> > was said in a very good movie before.. If you build it, they will come.
> >
> > The problem with the Ubuntu community is that it is falling apart. Advocacy
> > will not make this working. At this time Mint has far more hits than
> > Ubuntu has. I wonder why that is the case. I do not see a lot of Advocacy
> > going on at Mint. However, they seem to build stuff that people are
> > willing to come for.
> >
> >> Ubuntu advocacy and adoption (the software, the philosophy, and the
> >> project) starts locally. In other words, "You can't change the world if
> >> you can't change your world."
> >>
> >> Once the above is answered and solved, I suggest that you ask the question:
> >>
> >>      "Why is there no Ubuntu group in my city? There are more than enough
> >> people here to have one."
> >>
> > There is an Ubuntu group in this city.. But again.. what is the point, if
> > it does not contribute to what is built and what people are willing to come for.
> >
> >> Ubuntu is not a national construct. It has nothing to do with our flag.
> >> It does not care if your government is in Ottawa or in Tripoli or in Taipei.
> >>
> >> Nor is Ubuntu a stare at your screen construct. Ubuntu is personal and
> >> face-to-face. Find your friends, families, neighbours, co-workers, and
> >> anyone else in your town who wants technology to work for people (and
> >> not vice-versa) and gather them. Do it often. Form a community that
> >> meets face-to-face and spreads Ubuntu where you live. The rest will follow.
> >>
> >> Over time, cities can band together and create bigger teams, if and when
> >> that makes sense for Ubuntu.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Randall
> >> Ubuntu Vancouver Buzz Generator.
> >>
> > Well.. First it needs to work. It is very ineefficent to support non-techs
> > with something that does not work very well for myself. And mutt is certainly
> > not an e-mail client to give to non-technical users, but this is the only
> > one, I am able to connect to my e-mail accounts.
> >
> > At one point Linux was measured on if it was easier to connect to a Printer
> > than Windows... Well, it is now... however, there is still far too much stuff
> > that does not work very well. Mint seem to do a lot of good things in that direction,
> > Ubuntu has regressed a little in this regard, I have to say.
> >
> > Also, everything has to be seen in the wider concept. We are not all Mark Shuttleworths
> > with unlimited budgets. Some of us have to pay bills and trying to send kids to college.
> > Why should I put my efforts into something (Advocacy) that does not help me to
> > achieve my immediate goals, nor is shown any appreciation for by the powers to be.
> >
> > The best advocacy is to build something that they will come for and treat them with the
> > respect the expect. Far more valuable to try to try to convince people to do something
> > they have no interest to do (irrelevant if it is good for them or not).
> >
> > I have been with Ubuntu for a long time, and I likely will be there for a long future,
> > but I have seen a lot of things change, and not all of them are for the better. However,
> > I remember that advocacy was not the issue when we were building things that people
> > would come for. And being called 1337 crowd for wanting basic functionality to work is
> > not very appealing either.
> >
> > Just my 2 Candian cents, minted or non minted, this is the question!
> >
> > Ralph
> >
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