Matthias Urlichs smurf at smurf.noris.de
Fri Apr 29 23:04:17 UTC 2005


Alex has notified me that you seem to have a problem here, and asked for
my input. (For those who don't know me: I'm the LoCoTeam coordinator for
Ubuntu. *Not* for Canonical, just for the record -- Ubuntu is a
community, Canonical the sponsor.) I don't read the list usually, so
please Cc me if you want my further input. As should be obvious from
http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamProcess, I'm at UDU right now.

First: Please observe the spirit of the CoC. Its intention is that
people talk to, and not at, each other, so that a consensus may be
reached. Talking about unspecified consequences is not helpful.
Mentioning unspecified other people who support you in email, or
whatever, isn't helpful either; in fact, "the ** support me in email"
meme is quite old measured in Internet time: see for instance

Second: Please don't quote whole emails. Cite the sentence or two you're
replying to, add your thoughts below that, delete the rest.
This may seem needlessly pedantic, but please believe me when I say that
adherence to a few standard rules helps focusing on the real issues.

Now, as to the specific "I want a leader" / "No you don't / what for?"

Ouch. Seriously.

Yes, we've had problems with the whole "leader" idea in the past. The
main problem is one of semantics -- "leader" can be "one who leads by
setting an example for others" (so that others follow by their own free
will), or "one who tells others what to do" (so that others are coerced
to do what the leader wants). Needless to say, we want the former
meaning of the term and not the latter.

*If* there is more than one person to whom that term (again, in its first
sense) applies to, *then* it is appropriate to conduct a vote. You (as
the ubuntu-ca community) may or may not be at that point; that is not my
call to make. However, I would like to offer the thought that the
important part is to get something accomplished. Together.

Some thoughts about voting:

It's standard procedure that if *somebody* asks for a secret ballot,
then the ballot is in fact conducted in secret. I suggest using the
Debian voting software (devotee) and procedures for that.

However: First you need to figure out not only who the candidates are,
but also who can vote in the first place.

I'd suggest that a neutral third party conduct the vote; I offer my
services for that.

NB: Repeating what I stated in the beginning: Please Cc me on any
relevant discussion. I also need to mention that I'm on vacation next
week, and thus may not be able to reply to mail in the meantime.

Matthias Urlichs   |   {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de   |  smurf at smurf.noris.de
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