[Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

Sat May 3 10:54:49 UTC 2014

I just had a look at the ubuntu-be page on Google+ -
https://plus.google.com/112197959490301022128/about?hl=nl - it is idle.
Even if we don't have the possibility to modify our website in the near
future, we could at least use the events options of our Google+ page to
announce what we plan to do.

Same goes for our FB page - https://www.facebook.com/groups/87950312093/ .
There is a bit more 'life' in the FB group, but nothing spectacular.

I noticed quite a lot op webpages like '10 things to do after installing
ubuntu 14.04'. We could at least translate (some of) those pages into Dutch
and French and post them on those two social media, It would be a start.

The main problem I see is which one we will be using.
With the 'rumours' of Google eventually downsizing or shutting down their
G+ social network, and on the other side some users not trusting Facebook,
which way must we go?

2014-05-03 11:29 GMT+02:00 Duray Pol <duraypol op gmail.com>:

>  Le 02/05/2014 14:26, Luc Rulkin a écrit :
>
>  Goede middag .
>
>  Een klein vraagje , van iemand die een paar jaar terug al een vraag
> stelde op t forum , zonder antwoord ..
> zeggen jullie nu : "wij zijn op stervens na dood ... ga naar Ubuntu.nl of
> Ubuntu.fr ?".
>  Is er een franstalige kant van ubuntu.be ?  Anders ga ik daar eens
> vragen wat ik kan doen.
> (oude acer met Vista Profess. zou ik willen proberen op Ubuntu)(ik ben
> geen It'er en heb wat aanwijzingen nodig)
>
>  C'est tout !!
>
>  MIVG Luc R
>
> Luc Rulkin
> Bergstraat 6
> B 9630  St Marie Latem (Zwalm)
>
> There is nothing worse than being talked about, that is not being talked
> about.
> (O Wilde)
>    On Friday, 2 May 2014, 12:25, tom verlinden <tom.verlinden op gmail.com><tom.verlinden op gmail.com>wrote:
>
>   Bill's proposal looks mighty fine to me. I'll get my thinking cap on
> and see what i  an come up with. Anybody having a problem with bill's
> proposal?
> Op 2 mei 2014 06:36 schreef "Jurgen Gaeremyn" <jurgen.gaeremyn op pandora.be
> >:
>
>  I think any of the hackerspaces will be willing to accomodate... people
> living near train stations on our group might too...
>
> Possibly I can't be available myself (wife is pregnant and due for June
> 4th) but I'm pretty sure Hackerspace Brussels (hackerspace.be) would be
> glad to offer you a chair in the space or the garden...
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen.
>
> On 01-05-14 23:08, Jan Bongaerts wrote:
>
>   Real life meeting should still take preference over virtual meeting, if
> you ask me.
>  It's not all that hard to organise. Jurgen did it, I did it. They were
> all successful.
>  Just get to somewhere easily accessible by public transport.
>  Brussels is the best.
> Antwerp or Ghent might be a good option.
>
>
>
> On 1 May 2014 22:51, Merlijn Sebrechts <merlijn.sebrechts op gmail.com>wrote:
>
>   aa) I can help with the website. I now a tiny bit of Drupal. If
> somebody can give me the right credentials, I could take a look at it next
> week. Mike Morraye knows more about the website, I think.
>  cc) same as aa)
>  ee) I think Google Hangouts is the best free option. If somebody has a
> sip server, we could also use a sip client like jitsi.org, which has
> excellent Ubuntu support.
>
>
>
>  Thanks for doing this wake-up call, kawabill!
>
>
>
>
>  2014-05-01 21:40 GMT+02:00 kawabill <kawabill op telenet.be>:
>
>  Hey I'm not alone on the island....! :)
>
> Tom, you're right I think and I agree. It is not somebody we need, it is
> us. Also Juergen's proposal for having Ubuntu-be.org and setting clear
> expectations I agree with, this way we can prevent disappointment from and
> by others. Carrying Ubuntu-be to the funeral I would think is just a bit
> too early. From the reactions, at least 5-10 people are actively involved
> and able to help.
>
> Using IRC is maybe just a little too much written words and I've got no
> clue how to get it to work reliably, I think we need to get together or at
> least get visual. For getting together there is the hacker space, the
> facilities in Houthalen an hack - even an old school room in Bree. Is there
> an open source alternative to Skype, allowing for a virtual meeting maybe
> (I saw Apache's Open Meeting)? Or what if we organise a chat/video
> conference from the 'local' events; Houthalen in Limburg, Hackerspace,
> Brugge - can we organize it maybe in such a way that it's all in sync; ie.
> every last Wednesday of the month (convenient for LImburg, as this is the
> gathering date already)?
>
>
> 1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015? YES, if we can plan
> ahead I would think we can get the right and motivated people involved
> including this chap
>  2) Do you still use the website? If so, how? YES, but let's indeed make
> it such that people see activity - starting with filling the agenda showing
> the local activities for example
>  3) What information would you want to see on the new website? Haven't
> really given it a thought, but one thing for sure I would like to see and
> that is UP TO DATE information
>
> Let's keep the ideas coming, I think getting around the bank account
> quickly is indeed opening a new one, and make it one that we can access and
> at least have some kind of redundancy. This as not to get stuck again.
>
> I have to read and negotiate contracts all day, it would really be good if
> we could talk to each other, preferably face to face. This way we iterate
> in seconds rather than weeks.
>
> Finally; let's get the link into Canonical established and strengthened. I
> work for a large company and quite a large bunch is starting to use Ubuntu
> also on the desktop. Ubuntu Phone is a great idea and has huge potential,
> especially for cost savings. I checked how I could get our purchasing in
> contact easily, but believe me, Canonical is not going to sell the idea if
> they stick to how they have approached this up to now. I would think,
> certainly in Europe, they have a  wide enough network of enthusiasts and
> could easily bundle the network to get aggressive into offering savings to
> large and medium size companies. As far as I'm concerned I use the software
> that they have ubuntu-ed, it is this creation that binds us - the reason
> why I spend my time locally to help people is for ubuntu, and also as a
> kind of payback to Canonical because they have created a magnificent piece
> of software. Not only them, but they are for me one of the main forces
> behind humanizing Linux! Credit to Mark Shuttleworth for all that. Taking
> Ubuntu-be to the graveyard doesn't seem the best way to help and show a
> kind of gratitude.
>
> Too many words written already, and hail to he/she who came to this point.
> How to go forward? Let's use 8D methodology and get this going.
> 1) Plan - revive Ubuntu-be and prevent it from going quiet again
> 2) The core-team members proposed, let me know who disagrees or cannot
> pick up;
>     a) kawabill
>     b) nero
>     c) Frank Neirynck
>     d) Tom Verlinden
>     e) Jan Bongaerts
>     f) Merlijn Sebrechts
>     g) Alain Daudrez
> 3) The problem; Ubuntu-be is dying
> 4) Temporary fix;
>     aa) website is not upto date (whom can take action and when?)
>     bb) bank account needs to be corrected (to open a new one I can pick
> up the action and can have it done within two weeks, with regards to the
> old one whom can get the responsible person to help organize it such that
> we have multiple Ubuntu-ers to get access and when?)
>     cc) support point map - remove ghost accounts and update or allow for
> updated information (whom can take action and when?)
>     dd) Limburg event box - Wouter, please drop me an e-mail where I can
> come and pick it up and get it into my storage garage)
>     ee) Setup a web-meeting last Wednesday of May (May 28th), we can use
> Skype, Google hangout or maybe someone can help build Open Meeting for
> Ubuntu (I don't mind planning and coordinating, whom can help setup the
> technical side of it all, Nero???)
>
> Let's get this going before we start root-cause analysis, and when need
> please team up where you can. Myself I'm not really good at using Drupal,
> I've build my own in HTML, but I sure could help cleaning up and updating.
>
> Your comments please?
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On 01-05-14 12:39, tom verlinden wrote:
>
> Thanks for your info on this. I've always thought that this certain
> "somebody" should comprise out of more than one person. One person can't
> take this on his or her shoulders. There's too much, from what i'm reading,
> for one person to do and be succesfull about it. There should be a team of
> somebodies, all doing somewhat the same, but in different locations. (Does
> that make sense?) Is there a need for a central organ? To me that makes it
> too complicated already, and might create expectations, that cannot be
> fullfilled. Anyway, there's need, i guess to promote ubuntu, as Bill said.
> Now we have to figure out how to do this in a fun way, i guess.
> Op 1 mei 2014 12:27 schreef "Jurgen Gaeremyn" <jurgen.gaeremyn op pandora.be
> >:
>
>  Tom,
>
> the strongest periods of Ubuntu-be were when one single person actually
> kept his shoulders under the project. In the past we had a few of these
> people. Thing is: ubuntu-be.org should set clear expectations: what (not)
> to expect: a spokesman, the official stance of Ubuntu on whatever Belgian
> activity, guaranteed support, etc...
>
> If someone stands up and is prepared to take leadership, you will quickly
> have a core team of somewhere between 5 and 10 or even more if you do a
> great job. If you're willing to take up this commitment, you'll be doing
> Ubuntu-be a big favour. Problem is, apparently this mythical figure called
> "somebody" we're all talking about and who'll do all the practical stuff
> like maintain the website, organise event booths, create content, etc...
> isn't on this list anymore. Not sure if he ever was.
>
> Please, do give it a chance. First things first - canonical approval is
> not a problem if you can prove you're active. I'm assuming someone here
> will be able to tell you more details on this.
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen.
>
> On 01-05-14 12:11, tom verlinden wrote:
>
> I don't know about organizing a funeral just yet. Maybe ubuntu.be could
> be a commonplace for those using and or discovering ubuntu but more in a
> fun sort of way. Don't know if i'm saying this right, but i think you get
> the picture. There doesn't need to be a central person or spokesman imho.
> Makes it far too official. The first goal should be, in my humble opinion,
> to get people to discover ubuntu. Maybe by promoting this list we could get
> more people discovering the os. As far as i'm concerned, i use ubuntu, talk
> about it and show it to whoever i think might be interrested, give support
> where i can and drop leaflets in our library. (They're also on ubuntu.
> Woot!!)
> I think that if we do our part any wich way we can, on our little
> "islands", and use the net, list as our "glue", who knows what can happen
> in the future? Is there still a connection with canonical? How does that
> work? Hell, typing this gets me all fired up to give this a chance. What do
> you guys think? Give it some kind of try, or just leave, and do something
> on our own? (I think we could achieve more together, but i'd like to hear
> your opinion). My 2 cents....
> Op 30 apr. 2014 07:30 schreef "kawabill" <kawabill op telenet.be>:
>
> What triggered me was a mail I got from someone in the community, stating
> that he rather spent his time otherwise, declining an invitation I had sent
> him. No problem of course, but it took me to the following page;
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings
>
> No activities are visible for me the visitor, going over the pages it
> seems that the latest info dates from 2012. I know activities are still
> going on, organized by enthusiasts on a very local scale, but for me it is
> not visible whether all of this is coordinated.
>
> I find it a pity, that in the period where MS end of lifes XP I don't see
> any coordinated activity to get people over into the Ubuntu/Mint/Linux camp.
>
> Can anyone please comment and give feedback or let me know I'm wrong and I
> seem to live life on a desolate space outside of the Ubuntu community?
>
> Have a nice day.
> Bill
>
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>  Er is geen franstaalig kant van ubuntu.be Daarom ga ik on ubuntu.fr. Ik
> vind daar alles wat ik hebt nodig. Voor een franstalige ubunterosubuntu.fris goed gemaakt en zeer aktiev. De forum kan u veel solutie geven en de
> documentatie is ook goed gemaakt.
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