[Ubuntu-be] Win8 will block dual-boot?

[Jurgen Gaeremyn]

<devil's advocate-mode>

Well... to be completely honest... if you take the cell phone as an 
example... historically I've never been able to change the OS on my GSM. 
So in a certain way the same could be argued for computers...

</devil's advocate-mode>

Hope the MEP's clear this one out, and MS & hardware vendors start will 
grow a new conscience again...
Maybe it's time (pre-emptive) to shout out in non-tech channels about 
the "bad thing" that MS is trying to pull off and how it will affect me 
and you and everyone...

Here are some techniques that can be used:
(and that marketing also use)
- a photo of a crying baby has more effect than statistics on child
   mortality (use vivid examples, make it personal)
- little near-future effects trigger more "urgency" than long-term
   bigger effects

Obviously,there's also the option of FUD, but I agree that I'd rather 
not lower myself to that standard (even though it should be told if 
there actually is something to be afraid of).

Just my 2-pence...
Grtz,
Jurgen

On 09/23/2011 10:43 PM, wouter Vandenneucker wrote:
> There was something similar a few months ago with a Cell Phone that was
> locked.
> The judge decided that the phone was designed for "all" mobile
> providers, therefore the mobile provider "restricted" the use of the
> device although it was intended to do more.
> Result: every person who wanted the device to be unlocked could ship it
> for free and the company had to unlock them..
>
> Let us hope we get a better result in this case though..
>
> Grts
>
>
> Wouter Vandenneucker
>
> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:35:26 +0200
> From: sulumar op gmail.com
> To: ubuntu-be op lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Win8 will block dual-boot?
>
> I have doubts on the legality of that kind of strategie microsoft is
> trying to pull up
>
>
> On 2011-09-23 22:32, wouter Vandenneucker wrote:
>
>     EPFSUG is already talking about shouting it out to some MEP's in
>     order to make sure the rights of the users are guaranteed ..
>     I guess this isn't the last we heard from it. (And that's a good thing!)
>
>     Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:16:48 +0200
>     From: vincent op mangelschots.org <mailto:vincent op mangelschots.org>
>     To: ubuntu-be op lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-be op lists.ubuntu.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Win8 will block dual-boot?
>
>     Microsoft does require that the hardware ships with UEFI secure boot
>     enabled but it also states that it will support the unsecured boot
>     process. If so then it's up to the hardware vendors to make it
>     optional.
>
>     http://tweakers.net/nieuws/76961/microsoft-secure-boot-blokkeert-andere-besturingssystemen-niet.html
>     (dutch)
>
>     On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Pieter Vande Wyngaerde
>     <pietervandewyngaerde op gmail.com
>     <mailto:pietervandewyngaerde op gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         UEFI secure booting (part 2) via planet.debian.net
>         <http://planet.debian.net>:
>
>         very good good article @ http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/5850.html
>         (Part 1 here: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/5552.html)
>
>         from the article:
>         These are the facts:
>
>         Windows 8 certification requires that hardware ship with UEFI secure
>         boot enabled.
>         Windows 8 certification does not require that the user be able to
>         disable UEFI secure boot, and we've already been informed by
>         hardware
>         vendors that some hardware will not have this option.
>         Windows 8 certification does not require that the system ship
>         with any
>         keys other than Microsoft's.
>         A system that ships with UEFI secure boot enabled and only includes
>         Microsoft's signing keys will only securely boot Microsoft operating
>         systems.
>
>         ...
>
>         The truth is that Microsoft's move removes control from the end user
>         and places it in the hands of Microsoft and the hardware
>         vendors. The
>         truth is that it makes it more difficult to run anything other than
>         Windows. The truth is that UEFI secure boot is a valuable and
>         worthwhile feature that Microsoft are misusing to gain tighter
>         control
>         over the market. And the truth is that Microsoft haven't even
>         attempted to argue otherwise.
>
>
>
>         On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Jurgen Gaeremyn
>         <jurgen.gaeremyn op pandora.be <mailto:jurgen.gaeremyn op pandora.be>>
>         wrote:
>          > Have a read here:
>          >
>          >
>         http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/will-windows-8-block-users-from-dual-booting-linux-microsoft-wont-say/10772
>          >
>          > Grtz,
>          > Jurgen.
>          >