Getting reapproved

Andre Mangan andremangan at gmail.com
Sat May 15 00:02:18 BST 2010


I expected a retaliatory attack and predictably it came.

@Michael Chesterton:  It seems to me that you wrote in anger - I forgive you
but I object to your allegation that "you are a vocal minority and the cause
of the loco losing its status"  Can you substantiate that allegation?  I
know that you can't.
Is my name is there in Lisa's letter in support of a LoCo.
and
Who or what is jdub?

@Paul Gear:  There was no finger pointing nor was there any name-calling.
My letter was a reply to Melissa.
Regarding meritocracy, check the origin of the word.  I do not object to
meritocracy per se.  My comments were prompted by the way meritocracy was
implemented in ubuntu-au. If only one person decides who has merit and
allocates privileges accordingly that is not meritocracy.

@Ryan Mcnish:  Will do.

@Melissa Draper:  I wrote to you by name in 2006.  Subject matter was (among
other things) establishing a group of mentors for new Ubuntu users, which I
still regard as a worthwhile project and have been implementing solo for
some years.

Cheers,
Andre




On 14 May 2010 19:50, Melissa Draper <melissa at meldraweb.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 18:06 +1000, Andre Mangan wrote:
> > Hello Melissa,
> >
> > I have been a part of this mailing list since 2005.  Back then I was a
> > keen neophyte and eager to belong.  I wrote to the designated Team
> > Contact to offer some suggestions on improving some aspects of the
> > organisation as well as offering my talents.   I never did receive a
> > reply.  I wrote a second letter and again there was no reply.
> >
> > No doubt you had reasons for your silence, Melissa but unfortunately
> > your inaction left a scar.
> >
> > That is one of the failings of having only one person for contact for
> > the whole of Australia.  There really should be several.
>
> Well, considering I wasn't contact until some time in 2006, this is not
> my silence you speak of. Back then there were 2 contacts.
>
> > The concept of meritocracy is a literary fantasy and on par with many
> > esoteric doctrines designed to establish superiority over the
> > ignorant.  Please abandon this concept.  It has no right to exist and
> > the way it has been used in the Ubuntu community smacks of autocracy
> > in disguise.
> >
> > I was quite embarrassed by your letter to the LoCo Council.  To me it
> > seemed dismissive and untruthful.
> >
> > Again, in your post below, I read of matters totally foreign to me.
> > Either I have not been paying attention or your inventive skills are
> > finely honed.
> >
> > I live in the country and am familiar with locust plagues, however,
> > crickets chirping makes me want to contract the crop duster.
> >
> > I know nothing of setting up 16 committees.  Are you sure that your
> > calculations are correct?  I majored in statistics and mathematics and
> > gladly offer my analytical expertise to you.
> >
> > Somebody here is barking up the wrong tree.
> >
> > Without prejudice,
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andre
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 May 2010 17:18, Melissa Draper <melissa at meldraweb.com> wrote:
> >         Greetings,
> >
> >         Back when we first started pooling information for the
> >         reapproval
> >         process, I mailed the list and called for information and help
> >         in the
> >         documenting process; help to construct the reapproval
> >         application wiki
> >         page.
> >
> >         A few people sent email lists of stuff they'd done, and
> >         someone
> >         suggested we should stop promoting ubuntu and start promoting
> >         openoffice. Then, crickets chirped.
> >
> >         Except for one thread. A thread that proposed to set up
> >         committees in
> >         each state/territory to oversee committees set up for cities,
> >         with a
> >         national loco on top. By my quick calculation of capitals +
> >         states/territories + 1, this would have been 16 committees,
> >         give or take
> >         depending on various things, such as whether you consider ACT
> >         to be, in
> >         reality, a significantly different population to Canberra.
> >
> >         16 committees? No. Just, no.
> >
> >         I expressed my opinion, and the reasoning, several times.
> >         Others also
> >         expressed their dissatisfaction with the proposal. A few
> >         people
> >         persisted with the 16 committee plan and things went downhill
> >         from
> >         there. They did not get the popular support they hoped for.
> >
> >         The lack of popular support for this proposal is where, it
> >         appears, the
> >         conflict "separate group" cited in the LoCo Council's
> >         rejection comes in
> >         to it. A "separate group" that, it would seem, was ultimately
> >         triggered
> >         by the reapproval process itself. The irony of this is not
> >         lost on me.
> >
> >         I would like to note here; scraping content from other sites,
> >         syndicating people's blogs without their permission, and
> >         harvesting
> >         email addresses from the mailing list, is really poor form.
> >
> >         Back when I first called for help for the reapproval, I posted
> >         a fairly
> >         long email stating what the team contact role was, and that I
> >         have been
> >         looking to hand it off for some time now. The absence of
> >         actual active
> >         participants, despite my encouragement of others to run
> >         meetings (not
> >         just call them and wait for me to chair them for you) and
> >         events in the
> >         team is why it had not been passed off. There was not really
> >         anyone to
> >         pass it off to.
> >
> >         That is why I, for the most part, stayed out of the 16
> >         committee thread
> >         beyond stating my opinion. That is why I did not respond to
> >         the list
> >         immediately after the unapproval announcement a few days ago
> >         (mind you,
> >         I was going to post last night then left my laptop adapter at
> >         work and
> >         couldn't be bothered driving across Sydney at 10pm after an
> >         11hr day to
> >         fetch it).
> >
> >         I want people to stand up and take some responsibility for the
> >         team. I
> >         want people to make (sensible) suggestions. We never died. We
> >         are not
> >         dead. We're just in a lull. If it takes getting unapproved to
> >         get us out
> >         of it, then c'est la vie.
> >
> >         But it means /you/ have to /do/ stuff; not just talk and then
> >         leave it
> >         up to someone else, or expect it's the contact's
> >         responsibility now. It
> >         means you have to think of things to discuss at the meetings
> >         and put
> >         agenda items on the meeting page; not just wait for someone to
> >         organise
> >         one and expect to turn up and ask unscheduled things. It means
> >         you have
> >         to actually do stuff and not expect to be given privileges for
> >         it. It
> >         means you have to do tangible non-social stuff /before/ you
> >         get
> >         privileges.
> >
> >         And to those who want to carry LUG disagreements in to LoCo
> >         territory;
> >         go [re]familiarise yourself with the Ubuntu Code of Conduct,
> >         please.
> >
> >         I want this team reapproved. I want this team to actually do
> >         things
> >         without needing official sanction from a committee (let alone
> >         3 layers
> >         of them!), lest you become the team that throws members out
> >         for
> >         'unapproved blogging' (sadly, a true story). It's your team.
> >         But I'd
> >         like people to take some selfless responsibility and not, as
> >         various
> >         emails I've had indicate, expect the contact/s to do it all.
> >
> >         People I would suggest looking to as potential contacts are
> >         Jared Norris
> >         (head_victim) and Daniel Sobey (dns53).
> >
> >         --
> >         Melissa Draper
> >
> >         w: http://meldraweb.com & http://geekosophical.net
> >
> >
> >         --
> >         ubuntu-au mailing list
> >         ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> >         https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
> >
>
>
> --
> Melissa Draper
>
> w: http://meldraweb.com & http://geekosophical.net
> p: +61 4 0472 2736
>
>
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