ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 34
Steve Pagratis
stevep at wifi-tech.com
Mon Apr 19 06:21:50 BST 2010
Hi Karl,
Nice post. I myself have been rather busy and havent read any posts, so
reading yours (the first in 2 weeks or more) saddened me a little as I hope
the ubuntu community in aus doesn't die before it even lived.
Looking at some of your comments I get the impression people are needed for
manning a stand? - I could do that if its in sydney, Im in sydney and ive
manned stands before, cebit to name one. Did one last week actually.
presenting to schools? I could do that too, im teaching in 2 tafe colleges
currently, have no problem showing off ubuntu to a group of people.
Im holding the same stance as you, I'll sit back and let what happens
happen. then when the air clears Im here to assist with what I can - hope I
learn something on the way. I cant spare much time however, but definite
times like man a stand for x hours is within my scope.
Regards to all,
Steve
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1. Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate. (Karl Bowden)
2. Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate. (Dave Hall)
3. Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate. (Andre Mangan)
4. Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate. (Dave Hall)
5. Re: media centre build (Chris Debenham)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:20:28 +1000
From: Karl Bowden <karlbowden at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
To: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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Hi everybody.
Yes I am top posting. This is not in response to any particular comment or
person.
I make this post very reluctantly and have not contributed to the fire yet
as it's all so draining and I really don't have the time for debates that I
just don't have a strong enough opinion on.
I instead just want to offer support for the Ubuntu-Au community no matter
what the structure is. It is very hard for me to feel like I can do
something with being so rural and not knowing anybody else on the list. My
job is mostly sysadmin, desktop support and a bit of django development. I
can be often be found in IRC as agentk. I'm located in Griffith, NSW and
travel is a bit hard at the moment. I would love to attend a release party
if there was one here in Griffith. I'm not an outgoing bold type person and
find it difficult to think of myself as manning an Ubuntu stall or giving a
overview of Ubuntu to teachers at a local school type thing. Yet I would try
if asked. I'm quite happy to help out with webdev work or offering local
support if needed.
That is all. You may go back to the continual debate now.
Regards,
Karl
On 19 April 2010 09:53, Dave Hall <dave.hall at skwashd.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 08:20 +1000, Andrew Gaydon wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Melissa Draper
> > <melissa at meldraweb.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote:
> > > This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am
> > saddened
> > > that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of
> > conduct
> > > to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot
> > it out to
> > > stop folks challenging your authority.
>
> Robust debate is one thing, personal attacks are quite another thing.
> I haven't seen the CoC used to stifle debate, but I have seen it used
> to remind people of their responsibilities when participating in the
> community.
>
> > Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the
> > repetitions here.
> >
> > "I expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it
> > was first
> > brought up, and in private emails with Andrew."
> >
> > I refute this statement strongly, this is the fist time I have heard
> > from Melissa on the subject.
> > I will also not be engaging in a he says / she says argument.
>
> The archives show that Melissa replied to your suggestion for a tiered
> structure on the same day as you made it, back on 3 March.
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-March/005756.html
>
> I think Jared has already demonstrated that there isn't a groundswell
> of support for change. Maybe there will be some other time, but now
> it is time those agitating for change accept the way the land lies.
>
> As discussed on the list already, there is a lot that can be done to
> promote ubuntu in the community. Let's focus our energies there,
> rather than on continuing to waste energy on this protracted debate.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave
>
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:32:33 -0700
From: Dave Hall <dave.hall at skwashd.com>
Subject: Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
To: "Tony \"H.G\" Candito" <blindraven at gmail.com>
Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 09:30 +1000, Tony "H.G" Candito wrote:
> I've spoken to a a bunch of people through email last week & this
> week, including a few people who contacted me off-list regarding a
> response I made RE: ACC.
> Most of them are so tired of banging their heads again the wall thy
> can't even be bothered voicing things anymore, they're just over it. A
> few of them were also intent on unsubscribing, which they have
> obviously now done. - So don't blame that on Andrew, they've left
> precisely _because_ of the lack of response, at lest the 4 I spoke to.
> They left because of the current structure.
Maybe you could have encouraged them to speak up publicly on the list to
support your position. If people choose not to stand up and be counted
- and be accountable for their arguments, then their opinion can not be
considered.
> I could go on, but there's just no point anymore. I strongly hope hope
> some of Mellisa's hopelessly attached fanboys wake up and smell the
> coffee one day.
> As long as these people have any kind of control, without our votes,
> it's pointless calling it a community. There's nothing commune about a
> person + fanboys brick-walling people at every opportunity.
I disagree with Melissa on a lot of things. At the same time I don't think
any structural change will have any real impact on the functioning of the
LoCo. What the LoCo needs is people doing real work not blaming the
structures for the lack of action.
I have been involved in free software communities for a decade or so now. A
long time ago I used to advocate that such groups should be truly democratic
and that such an approach would solve all the problems.
Over time I found this didn't work, generally because of 2 reasons, firstly
someone of the people advocating democracy just wanted control but didn't
want to earn it or the people who ended up being elected made the same
mistakes their predecessors did.
I am yet to see something which demonstrates how the current structure is
clearly not working. A new structure will not compel people to fulfil your
vision. Propose some type of action, but be willing to expect that you will
have to put in 100% of the effort to make it happen, if others jump in and
help great, but don't assume they will.
> I wash my hands of this list, and I know there's more following suit.
> Ciao.
Watch the door on the way out.
Cheers
Dave
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:48:10 +1000
From: Andre Mangan <andremangan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
To: Dave Hall <dave.hall at skwashd.com>
Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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"Watch the door on the way out."
You call that respectful, Dave? Seems like arrogance and insulting to me.
Definitely not in keeping with the CoC. Where are the moderators?
Andre
On 19 April 2010 11:32, Dave Hall <dave.hall at skwashd.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 09:30 +1000, Tony "H.G" Candito wrote:
> > I've spoken to a a bunch of people through email last week & this
> > week, including a few people who contacted me off-list regarding a
> > response I made RE: ACC.
> > Most of them are so tired of banging their heads again the wall thy
> > can't even be bothered voicing things anymore, they're just over it.
> > A few of them were also intent on unsubscribing, which they have
> > obviously now done. - So don't blame that on Andrew, they've left
> > precisely _because_ of the lack of response, at lest the 4 I spoke to.
> > They left because of the current structure.
>
> Maybe you could have encouraged them to speak up publicly on the list
> to support your position. If people choose not to stand up and be
> counted
> - and be accountable for their arguments, then their opinion can not
> be considered.
>
> > I could go on, but there's just no point anymore. I strongly hope
> > hope some of Mellisa's hopelessly attached fanboys wake up and smell
> > the coffee one day.
> > As long as these people have any kind of control, without our votes,
> > it's pointless calling it a community. There's nothing commune about
> > a person + fanboys brick-walling people at every opportunity.
>
> I disagree with Melissa on a lot of things. At the same time I don't
> think any structural change will have any real impact on the
> functioning of the LoCo. What the LoCo needs is people doing real
> work not blaming the structures for the lack of action.
>
> I have been involved in free software communities for a decade or so
> now. A long time ago I used to advocate that such groups should be
> truly democratic and that such an approach would solve all the problems.
> Over time I found this didn't work, generally because of 2 reasons,
> firstly someone of the people advocating democracy just wanted control
> but didn't want to earn it or the people who ended up being elected
> made the same mistakes their predecessors did.
>
> I am yet to see something which demonstrates how the current structure
> is clearly not working. A new structure will not compel people to
> fulfil your vision. Propose some type of action, but be willing to
> expect that you will have to put in 100% of the effort to make it
> happen, if others jump in and help great, but don't assume they will.
>
> > I wash my hands of this list, and I know there's more following suit.
> > Ciao.
>
> Watch the door on the way out.
> Cheers
>
> Dave
>
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 19:24:38 -0700
From: Dave Hall <dave.hall at skwashd.com>
Subject: Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
To: Andre Mangan <andremangan at gmail.com>
Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 11:48 +1000, Andre Mangan wrote:
>
> "Watch the door on the way out."
>
> You call that respectful, Dave? Seems like arrogance and insulting to
> me. Definitely not in keeping with the CoC. Where are the
> moderators?
I thought it was quite appropriate in the circumstances. Shall we go
through the list over the couple of weeks and yellow card everyone who has
breached the CoC? I'll go for some low hanging fruit, Tony in the post I
replied to "Mellisa's hopelessly attached fanboys", Cary's only post in this
thread "Lots of luck in your dictatorship & whoa behold anyone who
challenges your authority", shall we continue? S/he who is innocent shall
cast the first stone and all that.
Cheers
Dave
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:47:47 +1000 (EST)
From: Chris Debenham <chris at adebenham.com>
Subject: Re: media centre build
To: bryn mitchell <bryn at mitchells.id.au>
Cc: ubuntu-au <ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com>
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I previously used a Microsoft MCE remote (works out of the box) but recently
moved to using a PS3 bluetooth remote so I don't need line-of-sight.
And yes, MythTV can record and play the same show. Easiest way to go is
just watch LiveTV and at any time you can press pause. In the background
mythtv will keep recording the video and keep it in a buffer ready for you
to catch up later.
I find I hardly ever watch livetv anymore though, mostly I set it to record
anything I want and then watch them 10-15 mins after they start so I can
skip the ads :-) (mind you I generally don't watch things even on the same
day - I'm generally a few days behind on my shows ;-) )
On 19 April 2010 13:19, bryn mitchell <bryn_mitchell at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> This is all good info Chris. Thanks.
> Two things?I failed to ask is what type of remote do you use and does
> MythTV have all those tricky things as found on a commercial DVR such
> as the record and view the same show function (after you have used the
> pause function to go and get a beer from the fridge). I don't know the
> name of the function but it allows you to catch up to the current time
> in the?game / show (I think by using the time in the add's).
>
> ________________________________
> From: Chris Debenham <chris at adebenham.com>
> To: bryn mitchell <bryn at mitchells.id.au>
> Cc: ubuntu-au <ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Sent: Mon, 19 April, 2010 8:12:38 AM
> Subject: Re: media centre build
>
> On 18 April 2010 21:57, bryn mitchell <bryn_mitchell at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> Thanks Chris.
>> What OS and Multi Media applications do you use.
>
> I run MythTV on mythbuntu (http://mythbuntu.org/)
>
>> Do you;
> * access the Internet - yes - via mythnet
> * burn media (such as TV shows) to DVD - yes, via 'mythBurn' which
> integrates into mythtv
> * rip to MP3 - yes, mythtv can do this natively as well
> * view photo's - yes
> * edit home video - no, I do video editing on a different machine
> generally (one connected to a keyboard/mouse instead of just a remote
> control) but there is nothing precluding doing video editing on this
> machine as it is faster than my actual desktop anyway :-)
>
>> Do you use a wireless network connection and if so what brand of
>> card/USB (I assume it's USB).
>
> I actually use wired gigabit ethernet (since I store most of my media
> on a separate machine) but as long as you are not streaming high-def
> content over the network then wireless is fine.
> I actually do stream standard-def over wireless to my laptop on
> occassion and it works fine.
>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Chris Debenham <chris at adebenham.com>
>> To: bryn mitchell <bryn at mitchells.id.au>
>> Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Sent: Sun, 18 April, 2010 6:20:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: media centre build
>>
>> I use an ASRock ION 330 for media centre duties (replacing a mac
>> mini) Costs about $350 - just add disk and a usb tuner or two and you
>> have a decent machine capable of playing High Def media via HDMI (I
>> can play 1080p without too much issue - generally about 40% cpu usage
>> when playing HD stuff - less for over-the-air HD stuff) It only takes
>> one internal disk, but add an external drive if you need more space.
>>
>> On 18 April 2010 06:24, bryn mitchell <bryn_mitchell at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am going to get / build a media centre. I could buy a MAC Mini
>>> which seems just about ready to go out of the box or I could go thru
>>> the project of a Linux equivalent.
>>> I want to access the net, rip and play (thru a sound system) music,
>>> record and replay digital TV, play DVD's / Blue Ray, etc thru a
>>> Panasonic Viera wide screen plasma.
>>> This is something I would be happy to spend a couple of weeks on and
>>> off to complete but not a couple of months to get right. It also
>>> needs to work right every time or it will fall flat with the missus
>>> and kids.
>>> I have done some reading about Myth TV and it's variants and other
>>> applications such as Boxee and XBMC but my real sticking point is
>>> hardware.
>>> I got a quote from a local shop to build a box that would suit Win 7
>>> and I assume that would also be adequate for a Linux equivalent but
>>> the cost was about $2500, about $1000 more expensive than a MAC Mini
>>> solution. For me, the real seller of a Linux system would be to do
>>> it on the cheap but as I said before I don't want to spend all my
>>> time (I am time poor) buying hardware and then buying more hardware
>>> because it doesn't work or endlessly trouble shooting a dodgy set
>>> up.
>>> Ideally I think my best scenario would be to buy a used PC and just
>>> add appropriate hardware such as a tuner card, graphics card etc but
>>> I don't know what to buy (or for that matter where to buy). Also fan
>>> noise etc is any issue I believe.
>>> Interested in any opinions,
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> B. Mitchell
>>>
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