ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 22

Wed Apr 14 00:40:54 BST 2010

Hi All

>> The ubuntu-au community is not lacking structure - it's lacking
motivated people. Get out there - do stuff to promote Ubuntu in
Australia. If you do enough, you'll become known within the Ubuntu-au
community, and the leadership or power (or whatever you want to call
it) that you worry about will be shared with you.

This model is fundamentally Undemocratic. While I agree that it is better to
be an active member then a complaining member I must shoot down the notion
of power being dispersed as a whim. The Community should be appointing it's
own members through an elected process. Not having the leadership appoint
people on a whim!

I ask that if the current model is appointment based that it be refuted and
regular elections called. The group should embody the spirit of Ubuntu!

Cheers

Colin McDermott

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>   1. Re: less talk more action (Michael)
>   2. Re: Any Adelaide people on this list? (Callan Jefferson Davies)
>   3. Re: less talk more action (Ross Willman)
>   4. Re: less talk more action (Scott Evans)
>   5. Re: less talk more action (Andrew Gaydon)
>   6. Re: less talk more action (Tony "H.G" Candito)
>   7. Re: less talk more action (karmic)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 05:02:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael <keltoiboy at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: less talk more action
> To: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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> I'll get shot down for this I know but I am getting to a stage where I
> am beyond caring.
>
> It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a
> situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested
> throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are
> and would love to know where I can apply them. Asking simple questions
> never gets a simple answer, instead as has been pointed out, we are
> told to go forth and just do whatever. Sorry but for some of us that
> will not work.
>
> The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found
> aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious here
> the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some unknown
> reason people went charging off to something else.
>
> As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor
> the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight
> control. All that has really been asked for is a chance for the
> community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing further
> to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it.
>
> Ciao for now.
> Michael (k3lt01)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:44:56 +0930
> From: Callan Jefferson Davies <callan at cruzn.net.au>
> Subject: Re: Any Adelaide people on this list?
> To: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <1271164496.1875.5.camel at brutis>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> > Hi. I'm new to this list. Just wondering if there are other members in
> > or near Adelaide, interested in meetups? Also, any people at Adelaide
> > University?
>
>
> Another Adelaide user over here ..... and yes, interested in meetups /
> release parties etc.
>
> Comments on that ... last time I went to a 'release party' there seemed
> to be a few people there that all knew each other, but no
> acknowledgement of a newcomer (me) arriving. I had a beer on my own and
> left. Perhaps my own fault for not approaching the group... buy hey,
> I'll still go to another release party if there is one!
>
> Cheers
> Callan
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:15:35 +1000
> From: Ross Willman <rwillman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: less talk more action
> To: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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> I challenge anyone who has a problem with the current situation to
> clearly define what non-bureaucratic action they would take for
> ubuntu-au under a new structure, then answer why they aren't doing
> that now. I honestly don't understand how the current setup has
> stopped anyone from promoting Ubuntu in Australia.
>
> The ubuntu-au community is not lacking structure - it's lacking
> motivated people. Get out there - do stuff to promote Ubuntu in
> Australia. If you do enough, you'll become known within the Ubuntu-au
> community, and the leadership or power (or whatever you want to call
> it) that you worry about will be shared with you.
>
> Anyone that is holding back promoting Ubuntu because they aren't happy
> with the leadership of Ubuntu-au, isn't worthy of any leadership
> themselves. I think that a push for restructure would be looked upon a
> lot more fondly if it came from someone who is a driving force in the
> community. Has anyone making noise about this actually been in the
> community for more than a year?
>
> Ross
>
> On 13 April 2010 22:02, Michael <keltoiboy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'll get shot down for this I know but I am getting to a stage where I
> > am beyond caring.
> >
> > It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a
> > situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested
> > throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are
> > and would love to know where I can apply them. Asking simple questions
> > never gets a simple answer, instead as has been pointed out, we are
> > told to go forth and just do whatever. Sorry but for some of us that
> > will not work.
> >
> > The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found
> > aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious here
> > the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some unknown
> > reason people went charging off to something else.
> >
> > As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor
> > the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight
> > control. All that has really been asked for is a chance for the
> > community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing further
> > to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it.
> >
> > Ciao for now.
> > Michael (k3lt01)
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-au mailing list
> > ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:18:27 +1000
> From: Scott Evans <scott at vk7hse.hobby-site.org>
> Subject: Re: less talk more action
> To: Ross Willman <rwillman at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <1271164707.5144.0.camel at scott-desktop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 23:15 +1000, Ross Willman wrote:
> > Has anyone making noise about this actually been in the
> > community for more than a year?
>
> Umm... yes!
>
> --
> Scott Evans <scott at vk7hse.hobby-site.org>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:30:27 +1000
> From: Andrew Gaydon <gandella at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: less talk more action
> To: Ross Willman <rwillman at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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> Umm Yes about 2 years ago.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Ross Willman <rwillman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I challenge anyone who has a problem with the current situation to
> > clearly define what non-bureaucratic action they would take for
> > ubuntu-au under a new structure, then answer why they aren't doing
> > that now. I honestly don't understand how the current setup has
> > stopped anyone from promoting Ubuntu in Australia.
> >
> > The ubuntu-au community is not lacking structure - it's lacking
> > motivated people. Get out there - do stuff to promote Ubuntu in
> > Australia. If you do enough, you'll become known within the Ubuntu-au
> > community, and the leadership or power (or whatever you want to call
> > it) that you worry about will be shared with you.
> >
> > Anyone that is holding back promoting Ubuntu because they aren't happy
> > with the leadership of Ubuntu-au, isn't worthy of any leadership
> > themselves. I think that a push for restructure would be looked upon a
> > lot more fondly if it came from someone who is a driving force in the
> > community. Has anyone making noise about this actually been in the
> > community for more than a year?
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > On 13 April 2010 22:02, Michael <keltoiboy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'll get shot down for this I know but I am getting to a stage where I
> > > am beyond caring.
> > >
> > > It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a
> > > situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested
> > > throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are
> > > and would love to know where I can apply them. Asking simple questions
> > > never gets a simple answer, instead as has been pointed out, we are
> > > told to go forth and just do whatever. Sorry but for some of us that
> > > will not work.
> > >
> > > The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found
> > > aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious here
> > > the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some unknown
> > > reason people went charging off to something else.
> > >
> > > As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor
> > > the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight
> > > control. All that has really been asked for is a chance for the
> > > community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing further
> > > to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it.
> > >
> > > Ciao for now.
> > > Michael (k3lt01)
> > >
> > > --
> > > ubuntu-au mailing list
> > > ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
> > >
> >
> > --
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> > ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:07:03 +1000
> From: "Tony \"H.G\" Candito" <blindraven at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: less talk more action
> To: Ross Willman <rwillman at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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> >
> >  Has anyone making noise about this actually been in the
> > community for more than a year?
> >
>
>
> 2006. And I'd wager most of the people you think haven't been around for
> that long simply haven't been active as a product of the reasons outlined
> prior.
>
>
>
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > On 13 April 2010 22:02, Michael <keltoiboy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'll get shot down for this I know but I am getting to a stage where I
> > > am beyond caring.
> > >
> > > It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a
> > > situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested
> > > throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are
> > > and would love to know where I can apply them. Asking simple questions
> > > never gets a simple answer, instead as has been pointed out, we are
> > > told to go forth and just do whatever. Sorry but for some of us that
> > > will not work.
> > >
> > > The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found
> > > aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious here
> > > the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some unknown
> > > reason people went charging off to something else.
> > >
> > > As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor
> > > the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight
> > > control. All that has really been asked for is a chance for the
> > > community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing further
> > > to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it.
> > >
> > > Ciao for now.
> > > Michael (k3lt01)
> > >
> > > --
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> > > ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
> > >
> >
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> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:07:50 +1000
> From: karmic <karmic at scentient.com.au>
> Subject: Re: less talk more action
> To: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 05:02:04 -0700 (PDT)
> Michael <keltoiboy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Respectfully, I'm not bringing you back into the discussion - that
> is your choice, but you make some judgemental statements, and raise
> some questions. BTW, personally I agree with Dave Hall.
>
> > It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a
>
> What 'things' have you found difficult to do within this group?
>
> > situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested
> > throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are
> > and would love to know where I can apply them
>
> What are your talents?
>
> > The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found
>
> I'm subscribed to the list so haven't seen any porn come through.
>
> > aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious
> > here the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some
> > unknown reason people went charging off to something else.
>
> I don't think people will understand how to respond to your statement,
> myself included, because you have introduced Google from another
> thread, and this statement is pretty vague (..'something else'..)
>
> > As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor
> > the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight
> > control.
>
> What control do you want the 'group' to have? You ARE NOT empowered to
> speak on behalf of, or to represent the opinion of Canonical or
> Ubuntu, and nor is the 'group'. FOSS gives lots of freedoms, but not
> even the GPL gives you the freedom to act on the behalf of another
> person or entity.
>
> > All that has really been asked for is a chance for the
> > community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing
>
> So what is happening that you want to vote on?
>
> > further to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it.
> >
> > Ciao for now.
> > Michael (k3lt01)
> >
>
> rgds
> --
> How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
> in a naughty world. Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice"
>
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