less talk more action

[Cary Bielenberg]

Reply from 1 squeaky wheel! first of all I sort of agree about support questions
on this list with the following caveat, I would expect to see a question like "has
anyone managed to get xyz modem on Optus working in Karmic etc" these are Australian
centric & to my mind do have a place on the list. As far as your question about extra
curricular activities I will be attending the Hobart & Brizvegas Lucid release parties.
Is this my 1st release party? No it will be my 3rd for Brisbane. Also while attending
the sage-au meeting last night I gave a shameless plug for the Brisbane release party
& also put it on there aust wide mailing list.


My 2c

Cary   

Sorry for the double post Dave but am using Usermin at work and its very clunky 



Dave Hall <dave.hall at skwashd.com> wrote ..
> Hi all,
> 
> I have been watching as the whole structure and leadership discussions
> has come up again.
> 
> I've looked back over the archives for this year.  Based on the amount
> of energy exerted by people discussing things on this list and IRC about
> "what's f'd with the LoCo" they could have organised and run several
> real meat space events.
> 
> Frankly I don't care if support questions don't get answered on this
> list, they belong on ubuntuforums or a LUG list.  This list is for the
> discussion of the LoCos activities and building the group.  On more than
> one occasion I have been tempted to draft a boiler plate response for
> support questions.
> 
> I know for some people ubuntu is their first experience with the
> free/open source software community.  This can lead to some
> misunderstandings around how things work in such communities.
> 
> Linus' quote of "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." really sums up how
> things work.  Actions speak far louder than words in many FOSS
> communities, ubuntu included (imo).
> 
> Instead of people blaming others and the organisation structure for why
> things aren't working, look at your own contributions.  This list is
> here to facilitate actions, but most of the time I just see people
> finding excuses for why things aren't happening.
> 
> Things probably do need to change in the LoCo, but from what I have seen
> so far, the "squeaky wheels" don't inspire me that things will be much
> different, other than maybe so more "we should do X" or "why can't we do
> Y" threads which just fizzle out due to lack of interest.
> 
> If you want city/state based LoCos and a national structure, great.  To
> make this happen you need to make things happen in your states.  Lucid
> is out in ~2 weeks.  How many of you are actively organising a release
> party in your area in the next 4 weeks?  The publicity should all be out
> for such events.  How many of these release parties have involvement of
> the local LUG (for capital cities) or computer regional events?
> 
> When you can show me several well attended regular ubuntu meetups (in
> non licensed venues so they are truly inclusive) in several states then
> you will convince me that there is a need for city/state/regional LoCos.
> Then I will also be convinced that there are people who are committed to
> getting out there and doing the work of the LoCo.
> 
> For now I think the "status quo" as some like to call it is all we need.
> It copes with lots of discussion and the occasional event.  Feel free to
> convince me otherwise.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dave
> 
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