ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 15, Issue 8

Mon May 14 05:27:42 BST 2007

>Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:08:28 +1000
>From: Chris Jones <chrisjones at comcen.com.au>
>Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
>To: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
>Message-ID: <1179043708.6205.7.camel at linux-j74w.site>
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>Hi Andre. Can I just ask who the journalist was that you spoke of in
>regards to the APC Ubuntu Recycle Bin blunder?
>
>And did you email the journalist directly or just the magazine Inbox?
>
>Chris Jones

Chris, I also picked up on this blunder regarding the recycle bin. I emailed
Ashton Mills (the author) directly who seemed to take it pretty well. He did
offer the fact that he was trying to write the article from the perspective of
the windows user who has never even seen linux before.

Cheers

Damian Nolan

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>    1. Re: APC & Ubuntu (Dave Hall)
>    2. Re: APC & Ubuntu (Andre Mangan)
>    3. Re: APC & Ubuntu (Daniel Mons)
>    4. Re: APC & Ubuntu (Andre Mangan)
>    5. Re: APC & Ubuntu (Chris Jones)
>    6. Re: APC & Ubuntu (Dave Hall)
>    7. Re: APC & Ubuntu (Andre Mangan)
>    8. Re: APC & Ubuntu (Andre Mangan)
>    9. Re: APC & Ubuntu (Andrew Swinn)
>   10. Re: APC & Ubuntu (Christoph Donges)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 23:53:24 +1000
> From: Dave Hall <ubuntu at skwashd.com>
> Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
> To: Andre Mangan <andremangan at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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> On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 09:32 +1000, Andre Mangan wrote:
> > We are lucky to have so many computer publications to choose from.
> > One thing about APC magazine, their Ubuntu columnist sometimes gets it
> > wrong.  For example, last month he complained vehemently that Ubuntu
> > does not have a Garbage Bin and as a result he had not emptied it for
> > a very long time and thereby slowed his system down to a crawl.  The
> > poor man had to go to the command line and empty his trash folder from
> > there.  I did write to him about it because the bad press he gave
> > Ubuntu was not justified.  There was no acknowledgement in the June
> > issue and I will have to follow this up.
>
> APC is a pretty good mainstream mag.  As a consultant I subscribe to it
> so I know what is being pitched to power users and SMEs, I also have the
> RSS feed in lifrea.
>
> Unfortunately APC's follow up on criticism can be pretty poor.  On 2
> occasions I have contacted them about glaring security issues with PHP
> scripts they have published.  The first time I got a "we have discussed
> it and noted the issues, but the code was not intended to be used in
> production environments" type email, nothing in print, but I never saw
> another article from the author.  The second time I never received a
> response.  I think if APC ran corrections in the following issue,
> sometimes it would take up half a page, maybe the other half of the page
> could be taken up by a microsoft security product ad.
>
> APC does do a pretty good job for a ACP (Packer press) tech publication
> - they have their own site (hosted by internode, not hostworks), they
> use drupal (not a MS/ASP.net product), they are linked from ninemsn yet
> they regularly bag MS products and promote FOSS.
>
> If they had a better way of dealing with reader feedback (other than the
> HelpDesk Ed gun survey), then they would be one step closer to be a
> perfect mainstream tech mag in my book.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave
>
> PS Hi list, sorry for my first post being one which bashes a supporter
> of ubuntu.
>
> Disclaimer: I "won" a cheap mynetphone USB phone from APC last year ago
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 11:44:03 +1000
> From: "Andre Mangan" <andremangan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
> To: "Dave Hall" <ubuntu at skwashd.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID:
> 	<b916baf50705121844n53c55c03w8aabbf7787e76906 at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Surprise, surprise.  APC editor has responded with an offer to publish my
> letter.  Of course I said 'yes'.
>
> If anyone else noticed this blunder in the May issue put your shoulder to
> the wheel.
>
> Cheers,
> Andre
>
> BTW, Dave, what does SME stand for?   Single Malt Enchantments?   Sydney
> Myer Emporium?   Slovakian Mail Express?
> --
> andremangan at gmail.com
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 16:47:17 +1000
> From: Daniel Mons <daniel.mons at iinet.net.au>
> Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
> To: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:52:23 +1000
> From: "Andre Mangan" <andremangan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
> To: "Daniel Mons" <daniel.mons at iinet.net.au>
> Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID:
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> You still have not elaborated on the meaning of SME.  The purpose of
> language, an essential in communication, is to communicate ideas.  With
> respect, could you inform the "low end users" just what you are trying to
> communicate.
>
> I am not an advocate for APC magazine but am mindful of the very many people
> that do read and subscribe to it.  Many newcomers to Ubuntu are so because
> of what they have read in APC magazine or other publications.  I happen to
> believe that Ubuntu is a refreshing change from the oppression practised by
> Microsoft Windows.  Windows is a very good programme while it works but
> Linux is a better programme because I can make it work the way I want it to
> work.  My opposition is not towards Microsoft products but rather towards
> the intrusive way that they do business.
>
> Cheers,
> Andre
> --
> andremangan at gmail.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:08:28 +1000
> From: Chris Jones <chrisjones at comcen.com.au>
> Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
> To: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <1179043708.6205.7.camel at linux-j74w.site>
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> Hi Andre. Can I just ask who the journalist was that you spoke of in
> regards to the APC Ubuntu Recycle Bin blunder?
>
> And did you email the journalist directly or just the magazine Inbox?
>
> Chris Jones
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:32:06 +1000
> > From: "Andre Mangan" <andremangan at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
> > To: Todd <todd at netowl.net>
> > Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Message-ID:
> > 	<b916baf50705111632r547671e2sd17968f704a57903 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > We are lucky to have so many computer publications to choose from.  One
> > thing about APC magazine, their Ubuntu columnist sometimes gets it wrong.
> > For example, last month he complained vehemently that Ubuntu does not have
> a
> > Garbage Bin and as a result he had not emptied it for a very long time and
> > thereby slowed his system down to a crawl.  The poor man had to go to the
> > command line and empty his trash folder from there.  I did write to him
> > about it because the bad press he gave Ubuntu was not justified.  There was
> > no acknowledgement in the June issue and I will have to follow this up.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Andre
> > --
> > andremangan at gmail.com
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:17:35 +1000
> From: Dave Hall <ubuntu at skwashd.com>
> Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
> To: Andre Mangan <andremangan at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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> On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 11:44 +1000, Andre Mangan wrote:
>
> > BTW, Dave, what does SME stand for?   Single Malt Enchantments?
> > Sydney Myer Emporium?   Slovakian Mail Express?
>
> In this case
>
> Small to
> Medium (sized)
> Enterprises
>
> but there are many other possibilities, such as "Subject Matter Expert".
> See http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Asme for more :)
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:19:21 +1000
> From: "Andre Mangan" <andremangan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
> To: "Chris Jones" <chrisjones at comcen.com.au>
> Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID:
> 	<b916baf50705130119u4fadc49m9c811d04e804ab83 at mail.gmail.com>
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> The journalist was Ashton Mills and I emailed Ashton Mills via the editor's
> email address which is tsarno at acpmagazine.com.au.
>
> Cheers,
> Andre
>
> --
> andremangan at gmail.com
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:25:07 +1000
> From: "Andre Mangan" <andremangan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
> To: "Dave Hall" <ubuntu at skwashd.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID:
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> Thanks, Dave.  I am relieved that it means something more sober than what my
> imaginative mind could conjure up.
>
>
> On 13/05/07, Dave Hall <ubuntu at skwashd.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 11:44 +1000, Andre Mangan wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, Dave, what does SME stand for?   Single Malt Enchantments?
> > > Sydney Myer Emporium?   Slovakian Mail Express?
> >
> > In this case
> >
> > Small to
> > Medium (sized)
> > Enterprises
> >
> > but there are many other possibilities, such as "Subject Matter Expert".
> > See http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Asme for more :)
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> andremangan at gmail.com
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:34:00 +1000
> From: Andrew Swinn <andrew at swinndesign.com>
> Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
> To: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
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> Daniel Mons wrote:
>   > Online publications like Anandtech and Arstechnica cover enterprise
> > technology much better, and are up to date by virtue of not being
> > print.  And both are free to read - no subscription needed.  And both
> > are written by people who actually use Windows, Linux and Mac in real
> > world production environments outside of the realm of desktop
> > publishing.  I find them much more "real world" than any Australian
> > print media.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
>
> These are key reasons I no longer purchase print media at all, not even
> newspapers. I used to purchase many magazines, but with a steady
> increase in cover price, the general repetitiveness of information and
> how quickly the information dates I don't see the need anymore.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:41:18 +1000
> From: "Christoph Donges" <cdonges at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: APC & Ubuntu
> Cc: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID:
> 	<eddc11060705130341n51c4f6e8u38e3f14ae6e075c4 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I like it how June's issue comes out in May and contains stories about what
> happened in April.
>
> These days I just don't think the print media can keep up with the internet.
>
>
> On 5/13/07, Andrew Swinn <andrew at swinndesign.com> wrote:
> >
> > Daniel Mons wrote:
> > > Online publications like Anandtech and Arstechnica cover enterprise
> > > technology much better, and are up to date by virtue of not being
> > > print.  And both are free to read - no subscription needed.  And both
> > > are written by people who actually use Windows, Linux and Mac in real
> > > world production environments outside of the realm of desktop
> > > publishing.  I find them much more "real world" than any Australian
> > > print media.
> > >
> > > -Dan
> > >
> >
> > These are key reasons I no longer purchase print media at all, not even
> > newspapers. I used to purchase many magazines, but with a steady
> > increase in cover price, the general repetitiveness of information and
> > how quickly the information dates I don't see the need anymore.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > --
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