[ubuntu-art] Re : .doc, .xls, etc icons in Humanity Update

[François Degrave]

> On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:44 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
> > Vishnoo a écrit :
> > > On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:18 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
> > >  
> > >> On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:04 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
> > >>    
> > >>>> On Wednesday 17 February 2010 07:38:23 am Merk wrote:
> > >>>>    
> > >>>>        
> > >>>>>> I'm not asking why the OS X was directly copied instead of 
> either Windows
> > >>>>>> one.  I'm asking why any existing Word icon was copied at all.
> > >>>>>>    
> > >>>>>>        
> > >>>>>>            
> > >>>>> It is a mimetype and as such needs to visually represent a 
> certain type of
> > >>>>> file. It goes without saying that when everyone associates a 
> certain
> > >>>>> look/letter/number with something they don't search for other 
> visual
> > >>>>> metaphors. People expect certain things to look certain ways ;)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Ken
> > >>>>>      
> > >>>>>          
> > >>>> Ok but it feels uncomfortable
> > >>>>    
> > >>>>        
> > >>> Thats really awesome. :)
> > >>>
> > >>> Then using those files types should be reduced rather than 
> complaining
> > >>> about the icon ;)
> > >>>  
> > >>>      
> > >> Those filetypes are supported by OOo. No need to associate them 
> to icons
> > >> referencing to Ms applications not supported under Linux.
> > >>    
> > >
> > > The icon is used only when someone is saving the file to be MS office
> > > complaint.
> > > Why cant we stop using that format , rather than nit-pick over 
> what one
> > > has just chosen to continue to support?
> > >
> > >  
> > >>  As far as I
> > >> know, there is no reference to Adobe in the pdf files icons.
> > >>
> > >>    
> > >
> > > I'd suggest you check again ;)
> > >  
> > Ok well, you are right. And that is basically... lame. Evince is the
> > default PDF reader, why should the icon be related to Adobe?
>
> There is a difference between PDF and Adobe / Evince.   :)
>
> PDF is an _open_ Portable Document Format. and the logo isnt even been
> used in full. ;)
>
> Adobe is a company with several apps and "Reader" , "Acrobat" is the pdf
> reader and editor respectively. Note the adobe logo isnt used. Their
> logo is different.
>
> Evince is an app too and not a format ...

Ok sorry obviously you widely misunderstood my point, maybe I was not 
clear enough in my previous mail. Of course, the icon for the pdf 
*filetype* is a reference to adobe; it is red/white with a big A in it 
-- see attached. That is not acceptable (nor is it to put a "ms word" or 
"ms powerpoint" logo in a *filetype* icon). The only thing the user has 
to know is that it is a pdf file, period. In MacOsX, the icon is like 
that (ok that's a .ps here, but it's the same for .pdf): 
http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/docs/openoffice-mac/temp-ps-file.png
Do you see a reference to Adobe Reader? No of course, because it is not 
the default reader. Putting a reference to Adobe makes the user think it 
will open with Adobe when double-clicking on the file.

The problem is the same for the psd file icon (attached): why putting a 
Photoshop logo? The user only has to know it is an image, with the psd 
extension. The photoshop logo is a nonsense here.

(You can try asking the evince developers if they think it is a good 
idea to have icons for *pdf filetype* referencing to Adobe by default in 
Ubuntu, I'm pretty sure what the answer will be. Same with OpenOffice 
developers and doc, xls and ppt files icons.)

Cheers,

François








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