[ubuntu-art] New Wave (Engine)

[Anton Kerezov]

В 18:52 +0200 на 13.05.2008 (вт), Andrea "Cimi" Cimitan написа:
> 
> 
> 2008/5/13 Conn <subpsyke at eircom.net>:
>         On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Cory K.
>         <coryisatm at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>         >  Thing is, if you can't push the changes upstream and have
>         to fork, you
>         >  *need* to have this packaged and put into Ubuntu (or any
>         distro) if you
>         >  expect the engine to gain traction. Needing people to
>         compile the engine
>         >  themselves will harm adoption. I will also say, Ubuntu will
>         not accept
>         >  this as a patch to Clearlooks.
>         
>         Remember that Ubuntulooks essentially began as a fork of
>         Clearlooks.
>         Now we are "stuck" with this unmaintained engine, while
>         Clearlooks
>         remains well-maintained and (slowly but surely) has had new
>         features
>         and styles introduced.
>         
>         If all this NewLook fork does is apply slight changes to the
>         Clearlooks engine, I would suggest you forget about it and
>         adopt a
>         "hybrid" theme, using only well-maintained engines
>         (clearlooks,
>         murrine), or even use "pixmap" as a placeholder to make a
>         convincing
>         case for a new style to be added to the official Clearlooks
>         (or
>         possibly Murrine) engine.
>         
>         To modify an existing engine means that it becomes yet another
>         fork
>         with a few new features. That's nice, but what happens in six
>         months
>         time when the person who created this fork gets bored, and the
>         patches
>         stop applying cleanly to the Clearlooks engine? This is a
>         serious
>         technical issue that should not be ignored.
>         
>         Conn

I've never said I was going to make a fork. Pushing it upstream is of
course the best way to go. I just downloaded the source code and made
few experiments with it. I thought that adding new style to CL was the
most efficient way of doing the new theme stuff. Why should Ubuntu not
accept it? Or should I create a new engine from scratch?   

> 
> Yeah, I'm still there and sometimes I read that mailing list :)
> The next relese of murrine should be much more feature rich to not
> require any additions. Also I don't want to spread the voice about the
> svn version because first we need a rgba gtk patch (which is currently
> being written).
> 
> If you have suggestions for murrine, instead writing here, please post
> a BUGREPORT:
> 
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=murrine

I don't know what to request since I don't know what is the feature set
of that new version of murrine. When it's going to be out for testing
(and that patch too)? Is this rgba patch going to make all the gnome
apps use the new styles? If the answer to these question is by the end
of the summer/ yes all apps I'm willing to make the theme based on
murrine. 

Best regards,
Anton