[ubuntu-art] Public advertising for 8.04

Tue Mar 25 21:21:12 GMT 2008

what do youe guys think about public advertising for ubuntu 8.04. i am soon planning on creating some posters and spamming them around my school. i think that too many people are still using windows and still complaining about it. I mean when i am in the computer lab people wonder what i am doing. they don't even know what linux is. i think creating and posting some posters would be nice. also with my school (since i am running linux from flash) i can easily print out posters and send them out around school. also if you guys think advertising at my school is ok i can use some of your poster designs and send them out. also how about getting in with certain school and having some sort of free distro thing where you hand out free copies.

i am planning to print out my poster designs as soon as i finish them and sending them out into the public

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   1. Re:  Borderless windows: Goods and bads? (Julian Oliver)
   2. Re:  postetr (Klaus Bitto)
   3. Re:  Borderless windows: Goods and bads? (George Brooke)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:50:32 +0100
From: Julian Oliver 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Borderless windows: Goods and bads?
To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork 
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..on or around Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:04:13PM -0700, Dylan McCall said:

> Simple screenshot to show off:
> http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3945/yayfu2.png

just quickly i'd like to show my vote for that screenshot. it really
does 'open up' the desktop as you suggest, prioritising the application
content over the window manager. a frustrating thing about Human, and
GNOME in general is just how in-you-face all those title bars are - all
these horizontal stripes of rich colour, the density of which accumulate
with every new window. it really dominates far too much i think. it's
too heavy.

to these ends it would be good to see before-and-after screenshots with
several 'typical' applications open. it may help to make your case.

that said what is seen in your screenshot may not be at all practical -
especially for those that aren't power users and know the
minimise/maximise key combinations by heart.

regardless, it is refreshing to see.

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..on or around Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:04:13PM -0700, Dylan McCall said:
> Hi!
> 
> Sorry, this is a tad rambly, but I feel like pushing some thoughts...
> 
> I have spent a bit of time tinkering after discovering that I never use
> Metacity's window buttons. Pulled them out by editing metacity's stuff
> in gconf... I even tried removing the window titles by editing the
> theme, but it turns out I can't live without those. Changed to a
> different Metacity theme (Plano), although Human's theme was doing well
> with shrinking down the title bar. I think the results were quite
> striking. My thought was that programs usually have their own Close
> buttons and don't need the WM one. I hate redundancy, so naturally had
> to do it. (I also never use Minimize, instead bouncing windows to new
> workspaces when I don't need them for the task at hand. Need a button
> for that...)
> 
> The impact this fiddling has is kind of interesting: It makes me forget
> about windows and just see a program's own interface. Although people
> are pretty stuck in the crazy ways of window close buttons, I really
> think "simple" like this is how window decorations should be. By all
> means, they can add titles to my windows and work to keep them easy to
> tell apart, but far too many themes are instead striving to be noticed.
> Nobody cares about the window; it says nothing and is really just a
> superficial adjustment. The important part is the interface inside the
> window. Being noticable is the job of the GTK theme and only the GTK
> theme.
> 
> Something else that interested me was the effect of not having a border.
> Even with the same Human-Clearlooks GTK theme, having a different
> Metacity theme really made a difference. It kind of opened up my
> desktop, where the current Metacity theme seems to put everything into
> enclosed tanks, this one gives programs all the space available. I guess
> I could just go out and say "it looks Macish", although the same effect
> is possible with a theme that doesn't have the trademark silver gradient
> at the top. Besides which, the only thing Macish here is that it looks
> plain amazing.
> 
> Back in time even just a little, this type of theme was impossible
> because the way to get drop shadows was Compiz, but Metacity's simple
> compositor is finally bringing drop shadows to the masses! With drop
> shadows defining windows, we don't need borders except as little
> resizing handles...
> 
> Simple screenshot to show off:
> http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3945/yayfu2.png
> 
> Another notable thing there, in my opinion, is what that still does for
> the GTK theme, even in its simplicity. This one is built to blend with
> the GTK theme, thus creating flow like we have with the rest of
> Clearlooks. However, this is finally a part of a window we can
> completely expect to be there, which is not the same for toolbars and
> menubars. With Human-Clearlooks, I can see trouble is being had in
> creating a flowing gradient because of that lack of predictability, but
> the effect can be achieved gracefully if the gradient happens with the
> Metacity theme. In essence, Plano is built to simply close the rough
> edges around GTK's presence, rather than to impose its own style on the
> windows.
> 
> Anyhow, I guess my point is that Metacity themes are very powerful
> things, and it would probably be worth pondering a fresh one for
> Intrepid Ibex. Obviously wouldn't fit Hardy, since the aim is not for a
> full theme re-imagining there and because Metacity's compositor is
> experimental at this point in time. However, I think Metacity themes
> could do with as much attention as GTK ones!
> 
> Bye,
> -Dylan

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:41:51 +0100
From: "Klaus Bitto" 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] postetr
To: "Discussion on Ubuntu artwork" 
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Hi Paul!

Nice work!
Maybe you could put the beautiful new gdm screen from the current beta onto
that laptop...

Regards,
Klaus

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Paul Sutton  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have updated the poster I did last year for ubuntu 8.04,  Hardy
> Heron,  this can be found at
>
> http://www.zleap.net/download/
>
> its in both pdf and odt format  feel free to print, modify etc.  If you
> make significant changes, please send me a copy so I can host the new
> version.
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:39:06 +0000
From: George Brooke 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Borderless windows: Goods and bads?
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Could something be done involving mouse-overs, or maybe just subtly
coloured button?

solar.george

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:50:32 +0100
Julian Oliver  wrote:

> 
> ..on or around Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:04:13PM -0700, Dylan McCall
> said:
> 
> > Simple screenshot to show off:
> > http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3945/yayfu2.png
> 
> just quickly i'd like to show my vote for that screenshot. it really
> does 'open up' the desktop as you suggest, prioritising the
> application content over the window manager. a frustrating thing
> about Human, and GNOME in general is just how in-you-face all those
> title bars are - all these horizontal stripes of rich colour, the
> density of which accumulate with every new window. it really
> dominates far too much i think. it's too heavy.
> 
> to these ends it would be good to see before-and-after screenshots
> with several 'typical' applications open. it may help to make your
> case.
> 
> that said what is seen in your screenshot may not be at all practical
> - especially for those that aren't power users and know the
> minimise/maximise key combinations by heart.
> 
> regardless, it is refreshing to see.
> 
> cheers,
> 

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