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[sylvain marc]

I agree, i only want the minimum in the "notification area".
If it was necessary to make an other area called "app selector", why not ?

2008/2/9, Jan Niklas Hasse <jhasse at gmail.com>:
>
> Keeping open apps in the system tray (with that do you mean notification
> > area, top panel right, really?) is one of the _worst_ desktop metaphors.
> > Notification area is... notification area!
> >
>
> I call it tray. IMHO calling the tray "notification area" is one of the
> worst things.
>
>
> > Why mixing open apps with notification icons like clock, wifi,
> > volume...?
> >
>
> Clock? Volume? I got these as gnome applets. And wifi: Do you think the
> "NetworkManager" is a notification? It isn't. But why is it in the
> "notification" area?
> I got 4 icons in my tray: Skype, Pidgin, Rhythmbox, Glipper (and
> NetworkManager). There isn't a single notification.
>
>
> > I think that this ideas comes from a very _very_ strong Windows culture.
> >
>
> So what?
>
>
> > And Ubuntu is not an should not be a clon of Windows XP (OS X clon
> > either).
> >
>
> Right, but do you also want to remove windows at all, just because osx and
> xp use them?
>
>
> > If Windows or Mac does something well, we can discuss it and if it's a
> > good idea we can implement it. But we don't have to copy something because
> > new users would feel familiar with Ubuntu desktop, that would be a big
> > mistake.
> >
>
> AFAIK there's no option to close programs to tray, except the application
> supports this. So there's nothing to be copied from windows.
>
>
> >  Taking back the discussion. 6 or 7 years ago I was a convinced Windows
> > 98/XP user. I loved Winamp, I loved Winamp icon in the tray bar. Nowadays, a
> > lot of Windows applications put their icon in the system tray.
> >
>
> A lot of Linux applications, too. (Rhythmbox, banshee, amarok, pidgin,
> skype, networkmanager, deluge, ...)
>
>
> > Nowadays I've studied computer science and gui design in my career. One
> > of the big mistakes of user interfaces is mixing things that are completely
> > not related. Notification is not related with open apps.
> >
>
> Well, maybe we should call it tray or Status Area?
>
>
> >  What Dylan McCall was trying to say is that in OS X there is a tree
> > structure in the gui design. Root node is the application and then each
> > application has several childrens (windows) and each window can have another
> > children (floating window). In my opinion this is the correct way to
> > represent open apps. Why? because the app "pipe" is:
> >
> > Processes -> Windows -> Secondary windows
> >
> >
> > This pipe design delivers a good design that solves several gui
> > problems. First problem solved is that window selector like Windows bar is
> > no longer needed. Instead, this model has app selector, wich is very useful
> > if some apps have several windows (think in The Gimp at this moment). Second
> > problem is that having app selector instead window selector is better if you
> > have a lot (6 or more) windows opened. It's even easier to distinguish what
> > do you want to select because you have to look directly for the application,
> > not to all the windows, and you have less items to look for so you can
> > search it quickly. Third problem solved is that now app selector and app
> > launcher can be merged so many space can be saved.
>
>
> App selector? Sounds like some kind of a tray, only better.
>
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