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Jason Simanek
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> 1. Re: Hardy GTK Theme (Josu? Alcalde Gonz?lez)
> 2. Re: Hardy GTK Theme (Tiago Souza)
> 3. Fonts (Tiago Souza)
> 4. Re: [Ubuntu-Art] Hardy GTK theme (tonic)
> 5. Re: Hardy GTK Theme (Andreas Nilsson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:48:05 +0100
> From: Josu? Alcalde Gonz?lez <josuealcalde at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme
> To: "Cory K." <coryisatm at nc.rr.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
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> El mi?, 07-11-2007 a las 16:09 -0500, Cory K. escribi?:
> >
> > Josu? Alcalde Gonz?lez wrote:
> > > I hope something really new.
> > >
> > > I like this mockup a lot:
> > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128
> > >
> > Unfortunately that requires major changes to GNOME.
> >
> Perhaps it is not posible to put menus in the top-left corner, but all
> the other things are posible, I think.
>
> It is original.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:03:13 -0300
> From: "Tiago Souza" <souzamusic at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme
> To: "Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen" <mikkel.kamstrup at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com, "Can K." <cank1090 at gmx.de>
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> Hey, but didn't UDS chose Tango guidelines? If this still can change,
> what does that means (UDS = Tango)?
>
> Cheers,
> T.
>
> On Nov 7, 2007 4:37 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
> <mikkel.kamstrup at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 07/11/2007, Can K. <cank1090 at gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > What do you think of this icon set: http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/759
> > > > It contains only a few, but i really like the folder icon.
> > > >
> > > > (sorry if i have sent two mails, but i'm a bit confused by mailing
> > lists)
> > >
> > > That's even worse than the current icon set! I've a question to all of us:
> > Is Ubuntu bound to the Tango guidelines?
> >
> > No
> >
> > > From my point of view, they're quite unprogressive for a modern Desktop
> > OS. Tango icons always look too much comic-like and childish (in fact, this
> > is a good criterion for Tango to be the default look of Edubuntu).
> > > Can't we just release from the Tango dogmas and create something different
> > and new (but yet regocnizable as Ubuntu of course)?
> >
> > No. Not "just". It is a *huge* undertaking creating an icon set from
> > scratch (atleast if you want more or less full coverage).
> >
> > > I don't think this will be possible if we still stick to Tango! Or will
> > there be no discussion about this topic...?
> >
> > Are we not discussing it? "This is not an argument" ;-P
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mikkel
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:17:47 -0300
> From: "Tiago Souza" <souzamusic at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ubuntu-art] Fonts
> To: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
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> Are fonts within our scope? Can we change it? Will we change it? I'm
> wondering why we are not discussing it..
>
> Cheers!
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:26:39 +1300
> From: tonic <ghatanothoa at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] [Ubuntu-Art] Hardy GTK theme
> To: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
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> As an example of the problems faced. Open up the GIMP or Inkscape in a
> dark theme. You may notice some of the tool icons become difficult to
> identify, particularly in Inkscape.
>
> tonic
>
>
> On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 14:14 -0500, Corey Woodworth wrote:
> > I agree, as much as I like dark themes, there are just too many kinks
> > to work out. I do like the idea of packaging an aditional dark theme
> > with hardy though. It would be a good base to build from if we wanted
> > to make a dark theme default in hardy+1
> >
> > Corey
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2007 1:50 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
> > <mikkel.kamstrup at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 07/11/2007, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 2007 12:14 AM, Troy James Sobotka
> > <troy.sobotka at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> > Another problem with dark themes is a purely
> > technical one. I've done a
> > handful dark themes myself, but they always
> > end up with small glitches
> > here and there because not all apps are
> > designed to respect the theme
> > 100% This makes for a bit of an amateurish
> > feel in the long run. That is
> > not acceptable for Hardy.
> >
> > I always seem to find myself in agreement with
> > Mikkel's observations
> > and conclusions.
> >
> > One thing we may want to consider is quickly getting a
> > dark theme in place in Hardy so that by Alpha 1, which
> > is released November 29th, we can start getting bug
> > reports on these problems.
> >
> > This could be as simple as including the ubuntu-studio
> > theme, or it could be more advanced. I think the key
> > is to get something in soon. Core devs are *already*
> > running hardy, and in large part, they (not us) will
> > need to help identify and communicate these problems
> > to upstream.
> >
> > I can personally attest that a dark theme can be
> > usable and very attractive. It is challenging to
> > achieve a balance and to get your applications working
> > and looking good. The beauty of a dark theme is it
> > draws your eyes to your work, which will have a
> > lighter color, and in a way relegates the controls and
> > chrome to a less prominent positions without actually
> > putting them in an unusual or unexpected place.
> >
> > This is exactly my problem with dark themes - the contrast
> > between the surroundings and the document I edit is too big.
> > My eyes get sore after a few hours.
> >
> > For hacking in GEdit this is not a big problem because I can
> > have a dark theme there too, but for OpenOffice I just *need*
> > that white backgound. It is silly to have a wysiwyg editor
> > where there colors are not what other people will see.
> >
> >
> > An additional challenge with this type of functional
> > art is to not be too clever. It still needs to be
> > functional.
> >
> > Hmm... that might be a cool name for the new theme:
> > functional-art.
> >
> > On top of my previous points I simply do not believe that we
> > can smooth out the rough edges (non-theme-compliant-apps) on a
> > dark theme in 6 months. Hardy should be enterprise level and
> > we cannot achieve that on a dark theme in that time frame.
> > Fixing the apps require real developers, not just themers, and
> > we are really short on those.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please not that I really do like dark themes. Maybe we should
> > just bundle a dark version of the final theme.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mikkel
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:09:03 +0100
> From: Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail at home.se>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme
> To: xl cheese <xl_cheese at hotmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
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> xl cheese wrote:
> > Speaking of changes to gnome. I can think of two small ones that
> > would make a huge difference.
> >
> > 1. Ability to add a gradient to the panel bar w/o pixmaping it.
> > 2. Ability to grab a window from both the metacity title bar as well
> > as the blank space on the menubar. Perhaps even the blank space on
> > the tool bar.
> Hi!
> This is on the roadmap for GNOME (although first for 2.24).
> http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Artwork
> - Andreas
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