My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? Thanks!

Tue Apr 3 14:52:48 UTC 2012

Hi, Peter!

Your advice regarding making the usb live cd image is spot-on; I now have 
a drive with the live cdimage as one part, and the rest as a persistent 
store.

In an estimated 3/5 start attempts, after choosing 'try ubuntu', Ubiquity 
crashes, leaving me a running Orca, but no ui of any kind.  I cannot even 
use 'alt-ctrl-f1' through 'alt-ctrl-f11' to get to other virtual consoles, 
from which to restart lightdm.  On those occasions where I can start the 
session with the 'try' button, I can log out, then back in, getting a 
working ubuntu-2d session.  Maybe the switching to the 'try ubuntu' 
live session will be fixed in the 4-April daily live build?  Such sessions 
work as they should, for several 
(never more than 15 or so) minutes, then deteriorate until they're 
non-functional.  In the most recent session, the first sign of trouble was 
that the speaking of menus became irratic, until it just stopped.  At this 
point, the speaking of focused app on a press and hole of 'alt-tab' 
stopped, as if I'd somehow switched to 3d session.  I opened a Nautilus 
window at this point; the delay between my key presses and Orca speaking 
made it useless.

HTH,

Dave

On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote:

> Hello,
> I don't know for sure what will happen if you'll point installer to an 
> existing not empty partition and instruct it not to format the partition.
> I think I've tried doing that and then I've got a warning about some of my 
> files being deleted so I've chosen another empty partition instead.
>
> Perhaps you might first try making your live usb persistent so you can test 
> it better and then finally if you are happy with it you can just backup your 
> files as you have already done and install to an empty partition. To make 
> your usb live persistent boot from that live usb or any distro you have 
> installed on the machine, use gparted, diskutility or whatever you like to 
> create an ext3 partition on a remainning unallocated space of the usb device. 
> Give this new partition name 'casper-rw' without the quotes. Make sure it's 
> all lower case. After doing this your usb live should turn into persistent on 
> the next boot.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> On 3.4.2012 5:43, Dave Hunt  wrote:
>> 
>> I'll look at the partition scheme and keep the mount points, if the disk
>> is set up correctly.  What would happen if it's one big partition, and I
>> tell the installer not to format?  Will it over-write or just refuse to
>> do anything?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I recommend you to play with live cd a bit whether the crashes are
>>> reproducible and try reporting if thats indeed possible in such a
>>> broken state you are getting.
>>> I know you can choose where to install grub during the install as well
>>> as choosing existing partitions with their mount points however i dont
>>> know if it can pick your files from other distros.
>>> 
>>> Greetings
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dňa 2.4.2012, o 23:15, Dave Hunt <ka1cey at gmail.com> napísal:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I think the system was booting when I used the unetbootin method, but
>>>> the thing was acting as if I'd done an install from the cd to a flash
>>>> drive, and by-passed the special session from which I could install.
>>>> It brought me into a session with Unity 3d, and I could, sometimes,
>>>> start orca.
>>>> 
>>>> Per your suggestion, I jusd did a 'dd' to put the image onto my flash
>>>> drive.  The resulting system has no persistent space but boots.  I
>>>> get the drums sound, I hit 'ctrl+s', get orca, and hit 'try Ubuntu.
>>>> I start orca in this session.  I log out, then hit 'ctrl+s'.  I can
>>>> go to this session selector and get into Unity 2d this way.  This
>>>> Unity 2d session ran for about 5 minutes, then the Unity Service
>>>> Panel applet crashed, taking all the menus with it, and leaving me
>>>> with a system where I couldn't even switch apps with 'alt+tab'.
>>>> Assuming I ever get a sysgem that has reliable accessibility, and no
>>>> components crash, can I install this to my hard drive, leaving my
>>>> user data in place?  If, for instance, I choose the 'advanced' option
>>>> in the installer, can I just tell the insaller to not format the
>>>> partitions?  If I choose the same username I use with Trisquel 5.5,
>>>> will my stuff be there when I login?  I've already backed up the
>>>> files of interest to another machine on my home network.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB
>>>>> drive you might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device
>>>>> while it's unmounted. I did it using this method and it worked.
>>>>> If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted
>>>>> on startup.
>>>>> You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has
>>>>> some or you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer.
>>>>> I have used command
>>>>> Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute
>>>>> 
>>>>> Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable
>>>>> and have another spare computer you migh try  installing an running
>>>>> ssh.
>>>>> To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can-
>>>>> - press ctrl+s to start orca
>>>>> - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you
>>>>> should land in the orca window.
>>>>> - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window
>>>>> - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu
>>>>> button and space to activate it
>>>>> - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t
>>>>> to launch terminal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do
>>>>> in the past.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greetintz
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt <ka1cey at gmail.com> napísal:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that.  LOL.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program,
>>>>>> and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's
>>>>>> capacity will allow.  When I start the resulting system, I never
>>>>>> get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music
>>>>>> ever sound).  Should I do something differently when making the usb
>>>>>> system?    I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive
>>>>>> directory.  Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system
>>>>>> (ignore line breaks).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> sudo unetbootin method=diskimage
>>>>>> isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso
>>>>>> installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace=9999
>>>>>> autoinstall=yes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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